Railfreight 1981 help!

[tubemad]

Hello all,

I need a hand for my freight 1981 DCv6 pack, if you can answer any of the questions in this thread it would be much appreciated!

1. I have a FLT activity going, using the WTT's. I started using the KFA wagons but after some searching around the KFA's apparently did not exist until 1988...so they need to come off, but what wagons were on the freightliners? I read the FFA's were used in 1980, and UKTS has some, though the containers themselves might be in a wrong livery?

2. I have tried to dig out on Fotopic for some pics on what locos would have been at Southampton MCT, but I can't really find any! Unless there is some site that gives some useful info, but I couldn't find anything

3. Is there any 47/3's on UKTS that might be suitable? There's some ancient 2003 versions (don't know if they are any good to use) and the newer ones i think have headlights, which IIRC wasn't applied in 1981?

4. There is a Hamble B.P - Weymouth Quay freight run, no idea what it would have hauled, BP small tanks? If so what use would they have been at the quay? was there maybe an export line to load them to ships or maybe for refuel-ling the ships?


Sorry for the questions, I thought I might be easily be able to get some research online for this, but after 2 hours on Google and fotopic I only got a couple of useful info I was looking for, Google on the other hand comes up with random results when you try and search for say 'Southampton 1980' or 'Southampton 1981'


Cheers,

James.

[douglee]

Hi Simon,
Is ths any good for a start?

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/resu ... imagepos=1

Good luck
Doug

[champy]

http://nevardmedia2.fotopic.net/c151046.html

http://nevardmedia2.fotopic.net/p10687658.html



Jon

[champy]

Think you will find the 47s were any around availible, the sector side wasnt around till the later years. I struggle to remember them myself and i was around then. For the basis of your search i would look on other sites not necessirly for specfic flows from southampton, and base your container assumption on that.
Some i do know of would have been OCL NYK ACTS (Excel) and Hapag, with the majority being the two tone freightliner versions, still seen sat in depots to this day.
Again with loads there were more random things carried within a freightliner service as a few flows were trialed around these times. A true modern day freightliner services of a 'load of containers ' isnt true for this period as far as i can make out, box sizes did vary but nothing over gauge (over 8ft6) existed.

Try searching Chris N's site and also The White mask, both fotopics and this is a very good one for DC http://jdsrailway-photos.fotopic.net

Jon

http://nevardmedia2.fotopic.net/p25470070.html
http://nevardmedia2.fotopic.net/p25062766.html
http://nevardmedia2.fotopic.net/p17896141.html

[tubemad]

Interesting, a single tank!

Odd thing too is its a 73, in the WTT it is booked a D rather than ED, probably one of those one off loco workings. No timing load, just known as a COY (Company Train or something)


Thanks for the link to the 73 shot Jon, I have seen the other link with the shunter, but being 1984 I thought it would be some other working

[WesternInvader]

Remember that the air braked Speedlink wagon-load service was running at this time - the ever useful 'Goods & Not So Goods' site has brief details:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-abn.htm
and the lower half of this page for privately owned wagons:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy ... -poliv.htm
and here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/4-rsto ... stock6.htm
and Freightliner traffic:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-abcont.htm


Although many photos are from earlier years (and focus on locomotives), you could also try RailBlue for photos http://www.railblue.com/
There may be something useful here as well: http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page21.htm, also try searching the 'Railway' category on FlickR for images from this period.
There are a few books that could be useful - There is a series of books published by Silver Link under the 'Rail Freight Since 1968' banner dealing with Wagonload, Bulk loads and Coal.

EDIT:
After I posted, I came across this RMWeb thread which may answer your queries about container liveries on trains from Southampton:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=340621

Hope this helps.
Rob

[lateagain]

Hi James,

Did you see my post in a similar thread by Ruf?

Well these first two titles almost fit your desired eras of research to a tee!

First published in 2006 both titles by the prolific, and IMHO excellent, railway author Paul Shannon look at “Rail Freight Since 1968....”. So that’s roughly the very end of steam in the UK although as you’ll see the NCB were using steam way after that.

These are

“Rail Freight Since 1968....COAL” and
“Rail Freight Since 1968....WAGONLOAD”

I just noticed that since I searched these out Paul has another title that went beyond MEP’s era and so might interest the fans of modern
freight practice more:

“Rail Freight Since 1968....BULK FREIGHT”

I think they are out of print now but they’re on Amazon right now and http://www.bookfinder.com will find you other sources with prices that include the p&p.

172mm x 238mm both are quite slim volumes BUT don’t be fooled. They contain 128 pages and 170 and 165 photos respectively and are absolutely jammed with facts and examples of traffic. The photos are BW but each is accompanied by a detailed caption.... well mini article usually and these are marvellous reference for ANY rail modeller (virtual or otherwise) because they show many facilities and operating procedures rather than the endless “train portraits”. I can’t praise these books enough.

PS check out other tiles by the same publisher at
http://www.nostalgiacollection.com/index.php
a rather clunky web site but look at the far from obvious drop down menu under the MENU button

Freight traffic was in transition in the 80's between the old drop-off wagon approach and bigger bulk transport freight trains. Excellent pictures that will show the diversity of consists in these years.

Geoff