Derek & Adam Keep in Touch

[ashgray]

OK guys (aimed at no-one in particular) - keep things civil or I'll place this thread in the cooler for 24 hours...

Ash

[Darpor]

Another thread that points to "Trainz" and how "great" it is!

Well compared to RS (and by implication RW) it is. Oh be assured Trainz does have its little foibles and I have had a love/hate relationship over the years. At least the level crossings animate and work properly...even on the original content from 2002.

I recognised the quote and it was a response to me. My portion of that post was not to highlight the differences between Trainz and RW/RS, or even MSTS for that matter, for goodness sake, wasn't MSTS doing the level crossing thing before Trainz! My post was simply a reaction to say that if I were to keep placing RS/RW comments in a Trainz forum I would be beaten down so to pop up with a little "level crossing" gripe may be slightly unfair when quoting me especially if you read what I typed after.

[Easilyconfused]

OK - you all got the message from Ash.

He is the nice guy - I can be the hard-headed guy. Just go with his recommendations. I will back him up if required and the action will be swift and decisive. That is the system administrator (BOFH) in me - when dealing with problems there are 2 options - lose or lose badly.

You are all entitled to your views but they have to be within the code of conduct.

[Darpor]

Well, I certainly hope that was not a reaction to my post John, I was merely pointing out something I had said in my earlier post which was very diplomatic and that I wasn't going to be drawn in to slagging off another program. Judging by the fact that my post is the only one after the one from Ash, I reckon I am the culprit here.

[Easilyconfused]

Judging by the fact that my post is the only one after the one from Ash, I reckon I am the culprit here.

No - I was just backing Ash up - nothing wrong with your post. Ash and the others did a massive job on the launch weekend when Glyn and myself were off enjoying ourselves at the WSR.

[AndiS]

"most realistic train and rail simulation platform for rail enthusiasts and modellers"

One thing I must say on a balance: As of this writing, there is no trace of superlatives left on their site, nor on Steam. Only Amazon has the "most authentic rail simulation experience available on the PC" (or else I would have questions my own brains), and they are beyond reach for RSC. Now it is "a new concept in train and rail simulation" which is fair enough, given that it is aimed at people who do not own KRS.

And the KRS patches are back online, (Mk2 includes the DevTools).

So it's not like there was no positive trend nowhere. They do listen. But, of course, changing the slogan on the webpage, or the direction in which the brake handle of the 37 works is easier done than fixing the dispatcher, or the "proc error" thing.

[Acorncomputer]

When I made my original post I did not expect such a reaction but I really am pleased to see such a passion for RailWorks and simulation in general.

Not everyone is right, but everyone is right from their own point of view and the crying shame is that this forum is overflowing with talented people who are not being consulted over a gem that could be the best ever Train Simulation ever, but is stuck in the grips of successive people trying to wring the last penny out of it before tossing it aside.

Despite the 'statements' about consulting with the community, I see no evidence of this. Where are the tools that Mike Simpson spent so much time on - why are they not part of the program? I could go on.

I only hope that if RailWorks comes up for sale one day that we can all get together and buy the rights and then The People's Railway Simulation could be born nurtured with loving input from talented people with real expertise on all aspect of railway simulation who really care about this hobby (including Derek and Adam of course) and not just about money.

A dream perhaps but whilst some harsh words have been said in this thread, I think this just the result of endless frustration and there must be a solution somewhere. In the meantime RailSimulator.com Limited hold the cards and we have to play along.

[smarty2]

I reckon if people want answers they should address their enquiries to the ceo through the support e-mail address, since that would be more appropriate rather than his employees been embroiled in the mailstrom of demanding questions posted on here! I don't mind a bit of debate as long as it's reasoned and done in an un offensive way, but don't be surprised if your inboxes dont get a mail from said ceo. Didn't see anyone from Microsoft/kuju posting on forums even after msts 1 was years old, you had your sim now get on with it i think was the company line? I just think imo that people should be a little more grateful that you had any interaction from any employee, imagine all the many thousands and thousands of kiddies that will be sooo chuffed with RW's as it is! We few hobbyists aren't the ones that will keep it going.

Mart

[SuperTux]

When I made my original post I did not expect such a reaction but I really am pleased to see such a passion for RailWorks and simulation in general.

Not everyone is right, but everyone is right from their own point of view and the crying shame is that this forum is overflowing with talented people who are not being consulted over a gem that could be the best ever Train Simulation ever, but is stuck in the grips of successive people trying to wring the last penny out of it before tossing it aside.

Despite the 'statements' about consulting with the community, I see no evidence of this. Where are the tools that Mike Simpson spent so much time on - why are they not part of the program? I could go on.

I only hope that if RailWorks comes up for sale one day that we can all get together and buy the rights and then The People's Railway Simulation could be born nurtured with loving input from talented people with real expertise on all aspect of railway simulation who really care about this hobby (including Derek and Adam of course) and not just about money.

A dream perhaps but whilst some harsh words have been said in this thread, I think this just the result of endless frustration and there must be a solution somewhere. In the meantime RailSimulator.com Limited hold the cards and we have to play along.

The Peoples Republic of Railwaydom? . What colour will the trains be (and can I be ComradeTux)? Seriously, it would be interesting, and I do agree everyone is passionate about the sim. RW really has the potential to be more than it is now, and I honestly think most of the issues are around the AI/Dispatcher. I naturally lent towards railway operations with AI shunting, a dispatcher reacting well to a player changing tracks etc. Imagine seeing a train picking up goods, then entering the mainline before heading off to its destination.

Honestly, I think it can be done, but its not going to take 12 hours, it may even take 12 months to do, but perhaps we'll see improvements in stages and before we know it something happens, RW becomes polished. Some may consider RS to be part of the equation, but I see RW as turning a new leaf, a new beginning...

Time will give us the eventual answer.

Matt

[smarty2]

When I made my original post I did not expect such a reaction but I really am pleased to see such a passion for RailWorks and simulation in general.

Not everyone is right, but everyone is right from their own point of view and the crying shame is that this forum is overflowing with talented people who are not being consulted over a gem that could be the best ever Train Simulation ever, but is stuck in the grips of successive people trying to wring the last penny out of it before tossing it aside.

Despite the 'statements' about consulting with the community, I see no evidence of this. Where are the tools that Mike Simpson spent so much time on - why are they not part of the program? I could go on.

I only hope that if RailWorks comes up for sale one day that we can all get together and buy the rights and then The People's Railway Simulation could be born nurtured with loving input from talented people with real expertise on all aspect of railway simulation who really care about this hobby (including Derek and Adam of course) and not just about money.

A dream perhaps but whilst some harsh words have been said in this thread, I think this just the result of endless frustration and there must be a solution somewhere. In the meantime RailSimulator.com Limited hold the cards and we have to play along.

The Peoples Republic of Railwaydom? . What colour will the trains be (and can I be ComradeTux)? Seriously, it would be interesting, and I do agree everyone is passionate about the sim. RW really has the potential to be more than it is now, and I honestly think most of the issues are around the AI/Dispatcher. I naturally lent towards railway operations with AI shunting, a dispatcher reacting well to a player changing tracks etc. Imagine seeing a train picking up goods, then entering the mainline before heading off to its destination.

Honestly, I think it can be done, but its not going to take 12 hours, it may even take 12 months to do, but perhaps we'll see improvements in stages and before we know it something happens, RW becomes polished. Some may consider RS to be part of the equation, but I see RW as turning a new leaf, a new beginning...

Time will give us the eventual answer.

Matt

This man is wise.

Mart

[paulz6]

My worry is that we are heading towards OpenTTD rather than OpenBVE. Like most of the 'hardcore' I am looking for a simulator, not a game. The core is such a waste. Is it more OpenBVE than OpenTTD? You can reprimand your employees for helping, because they are not 'helping'. That is pure management without understanding what you are managing.
I look forward to a situation where we understand what it is we are trying to achieve. The reward is that of that of business acumen. What of us route builders? Don't bother, the 'game' will build itself. No need for accuracy, we are not trying to achieve it.

[bigvern]

We few hobbyists aren't the ones that will keep it going.

Actually Mart that's not strictly true as it's the hobbyists who ultimately rise to the challenge and sit down with the Quail Atlas and gradient profile book when the mass purchasers start clamouring for additional content!

And just to clarify in view of the rather harsh moderator comments, I mean no ill will to RSDL.com or any of its employees in my statements either within this thread or any other. I simply want to see RW shaped into a decent train sim that will take us forward into the new decade and provide enjoyment and indeed a little bit of a challenge for years to come. The first stage of that - requested politely, respectively and diplomatically - is a roadmap of what RS.com see as issues and what/when can be fixed. No one is asking them to share trade secrets but we would all rejoice in a post from Adam or Derek which said, "Good news guys - we had a programmer in over the weekend, he's reviewed the Kuju code and has told us he can easily improve the AI despatching/animated level crossings." Now that would be a positive step!

[dipper6]

It all comes down to one point,
Are the buyers getting value for money ?
From what I'm reading the majority of posters are not, they are within their rights to post that and why.
They paid their money and are entitled to get a correctly working program.

You go, e.g. to buy a car, something is not working correctly so what do you do.
You take it back and get the dealer to fix it.
In this case RW is faulty and the people want it fixed.

There is no argument on that, that is the law, that goods for sale must be fit for the purpose for which it was purchased.

[Billiam]

Hello,
I understand if people feel they are not getting value for money, nothing worse than feeling ripped off. However personally I'm loving it.
Just wish my other hobbies were as cheap, kept my interest and gave the same satisfaction.

Any information is good, but personally I don't need it to enjoy what I have.

Thanks

Bill

[jp4712]

Again, aimed at no one in particular, keep it civil and on-topic or Mr. Padlock comes out to play for 24 hours to allow cooling off. This is the third moderator to have to intervene, so if next time we come in heavy-handed please don't be surprised.

Paul