Is there an official bug fix list?

[ightenhill]

Do we have any ideas what (or if) will be included on the next upgrade or service pack.. I see a few threads of people asking what they want to see or want fixing but it would be nice to see an official list somewhere or a "to do" list.

[RSAdam]

Right now, our "target" is an overhaul of the Brakes and Dispatcher. The key word being target. Anything else we do to the core sim between Mk2 and Mk3 will also be included.

There will be no list of the plethora of exact fixes published until the day the Upgrade is released, as until we build the upgrade and complete testing of it, there is no guarentee that any fix undertaken will be included.

[nikos1]

Are the brakes not fixed now? All that was wrong were the dynamics and those are now working fabulously. Are there any plans to fix the lightbeams and trailing engine sounds? Those other than the AI problems are some of the biggest issues.

[mauried]

Is the stuck AI train problem being addressed?

[AndyUK]

Are the brakes not fixed now? All that was wrong were the dynamics and those are now working fabulously. Are there any plans to fix the lightbeams and trailing engine sounds? Those other than the AI problems are some of the biggest issues.

Glad to see that the brakes are now being looked at, thanks Adam.

The dynamics are not all that was wrong Nikos1. The other snags that I'm aware of are that the Class 166 and HST brakes should be stepped or notched, the train air brakes on at least the UK stock should have graduated release, and the bogie brake gauges in the Class 47 and Deltic should react to applications of the loco brake.

Andy L

[RSAdam]

Hiya,

Guys, we wont be listing exactly what we will and wont be fixing for Upgrade Mk3. I have already said that, so there is no point in asking for specific things. We wont respond.

Many of things mentioned above about Brakes are actually content errors in the setup of the stock rather than problems with RailSim. Also remember that I said we were looking at an overhaul which is effectively improvements. This does not indicate that brakes are a problem already. We are aware of some shortfalls though so these will be addressed as well.

[AndyUK]

Many of things mentioned above about Brakes are actually content errors in the setup of the stock rather than problems with RailSim.

Adam,

In that case is there any chance of telling us what the content errors are so those so inclined can fix them themselves? The only fix I've seen so far is how to get graduated release on the 166 & HST in this topic:

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 24&t=81772

and that's from a user. Alternatively could you please release the relevant content fixes in advance of Upgrade Mk3, after all we have been waiting more or less patiently for "proper" brakes for a long time now .

Andy L

[lemberg]

Quite frankly, I'm not bothered about irrelevants such as light beams, etc', the most important things are signaling and the dispatcher. let's get the basic things right first.
Keith.

[ightenhill]

When I started this thread it was to avoid the usual (can we fix this and that and , lets do this posts).. What I was wondering was, would it be not more productive and encouraging (on RSDL's part) to have a list on ther official site (preferably a sticky) giving a clear, work in progress of fixes etc.. Perhaps listing bug fixes and progress (ie updates saying we have sorted this out etc. etc.)..

IMHO (and dont accuse me of fanbois here) at the moment there isnt a "better looking" rail simulator engine, and to myself (maybe not everyone) the smoth fps and graphical representation is a huge immersion plus point .. and in an age of fantastic motherboard, gpu, processor technology.. Im sorry but MSTS1 is starting to get and look ropey (I know "bin" and companies like "3D trains" have pushed the boundaries beyond all expectations).. It would be great if people , especially those commited developers who push a simulator beyond the average..knew what to expect next...

[CaptScarlet]

It would be great if people , especially those commited developers who push a simulator beyond the average..knew what to expect next...

I know what you mean but you have to look at the cost/benefit to RSDL. Unfortunately a list like that can also cause them more trouble than it is worth in that people can start complaining about this or that not being on the list and or complaining if something that is on the list doesn't make it into a patch. That is why most software companies prefer not to do them as they can set expectations of what a patch will contain and not even RSDL know what will actually make it into the patch until the patch has finished beta testing.

John

[mauried]

Having a fantastic looking Rail Sim is of no value whilst it contains major game killing bugs
and the stuck AI trains and the hopeless AI Dispatcher fall into that category.
If RSDL cant or wont comment on whats being done to fix them then theres simply no point persevering with the game.
The only alternative is for RSDL to make avialable to the Rail community sufficient information about the game so that the
users can try and fix the bugs themselves, or at least figure out some work arounds so that the game can keep going.
For example , with the stuck AI train bug, even if it cant be determined whats causing the bug, at least simply automatically
delete the offending AI train from the world so the game keeps going.
Same goes for bugs like "Game over because AI train has left its path".
Why does the game end simply because of this , again simply delete the offending AI train and let the scenerio continue.

[phill70]

and that's from a user. Alternatively could you please release the relevant content fixes in advance of Upgrade Mk3, after all we have been waiting more or less patiently for "proper" brakes for a long time now .
Andy L

I am a bit confused here, what do you mean by "proper" brakes ?

I used to be a BR driver, and the braking characteristics seem fine to me.

[AndyUK]

and that's from a user. Alternatively could you please release the relevant content fixes in advance of Upgrade Mk3, after all we have been waiting more or less patiently for "proper" brakes for a long time now .
Andy L

I am a bit confused here, what do you mean by "proper" brakes ?

I used to be a BR driver, and the braking characteristics seem fine to me.

As far as I can tell the braking characteristics are pretty realistic, certainly nowhere near as inaccurate as in MSTS! By proper brakes I mean proper contol of the brakes. As an example in this thread http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... &sk=t&sd=a you referred to having the HST brake in Notch 2, trouble is the HST brake in RailSim isn't notched like the real thing. The Class 166 also has notched or stepped brakes which again aren't simulated. In both cases, and for the Class 47 and Deltic, unless I'm very much mistaken graduated or partial release of the train air brake should be possible. In RailSim if you want to reduce the train brake application you have to fully release it then re-apply. I'd welcome the comments of an ex-driver on whether my understanding is correct as it comes from books and personal observation rather than first hand experience.

On the other hand the control of vacuum brakes does seem to be correctly modelled, with the exception of not needing to use the small ejector on the steam locos as the brake system seems to be perfectly air tight!

Andy L

[r4knt]

and that's from a user. Alternatively could you please release the relevant content fixes in advance of Upgrade Mk3, after all we have been waiting more or less patiently for "proper" brakes for a long time now .
Andy L

I am a bit confused here, what do you mean by "proper" brakes ?

I used to be a BR driver, and the braking characteristics seem fine to me.

As far as I can tell the braking characteristics are pretty realistic, certainly nowhere near as inaccurate as in MSTS! By proper brakes I mean proper contol of the brakes. As an example in this thread http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... &sk=t&sd=a you referred to having the HST brake in Notch 2, trouble is the HST brake in RailSim isn't notched like the real thing. The Class 166 also has notched or stepped brakes which again aren't simulated. In both cases, and for the Class 47 and Deltic, unless I'm very much mistaken graduated or partial release of the train air brake should be possible. In RailSim if you want to reduce the train brake application you have to fully release it then re-apply. I'd welcome the comments of an ex-driver on whether my understanding is correct as it comes from books and personal observation rather than first hand experience.

On the other hand the control of vacuum brakes does seem to be correctly modelled, with the exception of not needing to use the small ejector on the steam locos as the brake system seems to be perfectly air tight!

Andy L

I too used to be a BR train driver and what you say is correct, but also when the train brakes are applyed the gauge showing the loco brakes (bogie brakes ) should move to show there being applyed .And you should be able to take the brakes off as much or a little as you want , without taking them off compleatly then reapply to reduce braking.

[AndyUK]

I too used to be a BR train driver and what you say is correct, but also when the train brakes are applyed the gauge showing the loco brakes (bogie brakes ) should move to show there being applyed .And you should be able to take the brakes off as much or a little as you want , without taking them off compleatly then reapply to reduce braking.

Thanks for that, I thought I was right but it's nice to have it confirmed by someone who knows these things inside out. I did mention the bogie brake gauge not responding to the loco brake in an earlier post, but didn't repeat it as I was discussing brake control in my reply to phill70.

Andy L