Even worse than MSTS?

[Ghostcav]

Ad 1) & 2): Most of these people have already left the scene, visiting KRS related forums only infrequently (like me) or no longer at all.

Klaus

Well thats good news that the negative people have left , now maybe we can get some constructive posts rather than irate moans all the while. If MSTS was greeted with this kind of response when it came out, when people were reskinning default stock ( & Tim Court provided us with the first type 4, crude now but excellent at the time & the first new UK stock) then it would of died on it's own arse & I would be stuck playing "need for chavness milton keynes Saxo challenge" instead of running an excellent reproduction of rail transport. Oh & yes I do know what realistic means.....just see my occupation.

Good riddence to the haters anyway, seemed like a far too tightly wound group anyway..



Just off now to run a freight on My route, oohhh shunting stock, being able to run round stuff, no front coupler issue's, 3d cabs so I can avoid 90degree head movements, realistic AWS & TPWS, oh regulated for an IC service in a loop, changing weather, nice visuals (well even at a 100mph you can see pandrol clips on the track in real life), maybe view my consist from outside, ooh not just a few metre's away, wow I can view it from along way out, oohh press 9 & I can see everything running & what I'm being held in this loop for...........etc etc etc.

[mikesimpson]

Hi Barry,

Welcome back, I hope you will try to persevere with RailSim as it does have its good points. However, as I pointed out in a post on train-sim.com yesterday, unless we get some more freeware rolling stock uploads soon, most users will just give up on it.

I was given a GP7 diesel model in TSM format last week, imported it into 3D Canvas and have spent 12 hours trying to export it to Rail Simulator with virtually no luck at all (I did use Sly's suggestion of using the .igs file in place of the Sample Diesel engine .igs file and it appeared in the game).

I exported the same loco to MSTS in 15 minutes and had it running.

Unless someone can write a tutorial on getting locomotives into the game then I am getting ready to bail out as well. 12 hours of pulling my non-existant hair out is just an exercise in frustration.

[Sly401]

Mike

Glad you had some luck by using the example as a proxy... It will run in game like that too.... in fact if you drop Geo you just made from the example into the deltic or Brush 4 folder Renaming as the original... not forgetting putting your textures across (don't rename)............ it will run with all the bells and whistles too ...
Then edit the Bin file so the top entry (english) names the loco and you have a unique loco ready to run

Which by my rekoning makes it about 5 minutes work , so things have moved on from MSTS


Yes I had a real pain getting a loco into the game but that was without knowing a lot of the quirks (and faults).

I don't think there is any reason for anybody who uses these boards to struggle...... help has always been offered, but it seems all too often that instead of asking for help some would prefer just to badmouth..........

I suspect that having to start again as a "Beginner " grates in certain area's........ Lost your place at the front boys?

Sly

[sp762]

Yes, that grates with me. But then, it's always good to have a new challenge and I wasn't at the front anyway.

I reckon the people who were leading the way are still leading the way in RS - augmented by some new blood.

But there's no need to be cheeky, feller!



Mike

[Sly401]

Didn't know cheek was against the forum rules?

Having to start again shouldn't grate, as you say a fresh challenge should be good... however some ego's may have to take a step back for a time.


I wish I could think up a one liner like Kim ... that effectively closed the "operational deficiancies thread"......... nice one

Sly

[sniper297]

"If MSTS was greeted with this kind of response when it came out" it was, maybe not in Merrie Olde England, but over here in the US back in 2001, all the threads were screaming rages or cries for help. I agree with all the original poster's observations, and IMAO the scenario tools STILL aren't finished, but to be worse than MSTS it would have to have a lot more flaws than it does. Personally I'm more worried about the LACK of complaints, if people are griping and moaning that means they haven't given up on it yet.

Followup on what Mike was talking about;

http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/showth ... p?t=269783

One of Dick Cowen's MSTS Canton geeps that Mike was banging his head on trying to export, now we're trying to debug it, but DID manage to get an imperfectly working model into the game. The day I shut up about railsim flaws means I either decided it was hopeless, or got banned for being too cheeky!

[BobLatimer]

Sly,

"I suspect that having to start again as a "Beginner " grates in certain area's (sic)........ Lost your place at the front boys?"

Not sure whether you meant that to be aimed directly at Mike Simpson but it certainly read that way. If it was, it goes way beyond "cheeky" and into the realm of downright insulting. Mike has done one hell of a lot (for very little reward of any kind) to make MSTS more enjoyable for those of us who are far from the front. He's already done one hell of a lot for RS users with his TMB and Kickstart programs and I would suggest he has a better knowledge of the inner workings of RS than 99.9% of users.

I would strongly suggest you pull your head in and an apology (public or private) is warranted.

Bob Latimer.

[RSderek]

Hi,

Adam has already been working on a step by step guide to get he loco into the sim and running.
Of course there will be more 'how to' docs and we will release them once they are done.

regards
Derek

[kevmt]

I suspect that having to start again as a "Beginner " grates in certain area's........ Lost your place at the front boys?

Sly

Sorry, but that's a silly comment. You seem to have forgotten that some of the leading contributers to railsim were also in at the beginning of MSTS

We have Jim Ward, who's PO&N was the first route I ever downloaded for MSTS back in August/September 2001.

Mike Simpson, who's utilities are a backbone of MSTS since the beginning,

Mike Wilson, who was an early NG modeller in MSTS and is now active in RS.

Ian Morgan, who uploaded the first Railsim tutorials was again in at the very beginning of MSTS.

Richard Scott (who is about to upload his first Raislim model) was also one of the first British MSTS modellers.

and myself, who released the first NG MSTS model back in September 2001 and, coincidentally, the first one for RS as well.

Kevin

[Sly401]

Not in the slightest bit aimed at Mike... and apologies if it came across that way. or any of the other guys that you mention.

Just to clarify...... it is aimed at people who so far have made no contribution to this area of the community, yet come on here and spout off about how bad things are and imply that anyone who is attempting anything must be an imbecile.

Sly

[KlausM]

Ad 1) & 2): Most of these people have already left the scene, visiting KRS related forums only infrequently (like me) or no longer at all.

Klaus

Well thats good news that the negative people have left , now maybe we can get some constructive posts rather than irate moans all the while.

Well, if you think that you, RSDL and the others can live without them, fine. However, contrary to Sly401, I believe that a lot of them were willing to and capable of contributing to KRS. Having lost them will definitely lower the chance of KRS to withstand MSTS2. Let's see...

Klaus

[liamtallis]

As your standards all seem to be so high what makes you think MSTS2 will be any better than RS.The glory days of MSTS were years after the release anyhow.

[KlausM]

No, the Microsoft simulator does not necessarily have to be better than the Rail Simulator in order to outperform it in popularity. Just remember that the source of Microsoft's success is not the quality of its software.

Klaus

[pgmetcalf]

Not in the slightest bit aimed at Mike... and apologies if it came across that way. or any of the other guys that you mention.

Just to clarify...... it is aimed at people who so far have made no contribution to this area of the community, yet come on here and spout off about how bad things are and imply that anyone who is attempting anything must be an imbecile.

Sly

I made hundreds of models for Auran trains but since 3Ds Max is unaffordable and Railsim are reluctant to release a GMAX plugin, which is still widely used despite being discontinued, it's very unlikely that myself and thousands of other content creators will make stuff for RailSimulator. 3D Canvas is inflexible and is totally different so it would take a long time to learn. Blender, although it looks similar to GMAX, will take even longer to learn than 3D Canvas because of it's complexity and nobody, having read through forums, is convinced that these programmes provide satisfactorily alternatives for content creation within Railsimulator.

[decapod]

and nobody, having read through forums, is convinced that these programmes provide satisfactorily alternatives for content creation within Railsimulator.

The modelling tools are really not the problem, the IGS file is the same no matter which program exports it.
Even if you have 3DS Max, getting the models to work is just as difficult.

3D Canvas "inflexible" that's a good joke
I know it's difficult to learn another 3D tool once you know one already, but lots have made the leap.