York to Doncaster on the old ECML

[spikeyorks]

Just some more DMU screenshots really










Will post some more screenshots once I've uploaded them.

Regards David

[ajax103]

Fantastic works guys,

[model321]

Looking fantastic! Is there a proposed release date yet for this route, say the end of February?

Matt C

[desiro5]

Looking fantastic! Is there a proposed release date yet for this route, say the end of February?

Matt C

I dont think we have set a release date.

End of February... Dream on... there is still so much to do. Stock to finish and test, permissions to get, night cabs to make, activites to make, activities which need new stock substituting into, scenery to be put on the route...

[jamiebowey87]

Take your time -itll be well worth it looking at these screens!

[spikeyorks]

A little bit further on heading towards Doncaster.





At Doncaster the unit couples to another and then heads off to Skeggy

Regards David

[ajax103]

Looks good, Hopefully I be able to order it for my birthday in August but I'm sure the team will release it when they ready,

[rwaceyw]

Absolutely cracking....but at the risk of being picky, surely something like a 101 would be appropriate, considering the DL's were withdrawn years before most of the other things in the screenshots?

I know it's a bit annoying - but I still find it a minor peeve that while all the stops are being pulled out for the route, the stock still appears to be a hodgepodge of bits....yes, it's all quality stuff....but surely the teams working towards providing the most realistic experience it can rather than 'this from the 60s, that from the 80s'? I know it's been mentioned that the route covers a wide scope of eras....but surely not all in one activity

I'm more than happy to help out if required....in fact i'm eager to!.....I don't want to be one who has a whinge and does nothing about it....but seeing acts with totally matching stock really would be the icing on the cake, and surely it can't be THAT hard to achieve?

Dave

[spikeyorks]

It's funny how you know just by the name of the person posting that the comment will be a negative one

All the screenshots posted are by me using dummy activities created simply to see both how different items of stock "look" in the sim and also how they "perform".

The stock is far from a "hodgepodge of bits" as you call it and comments like yours (and repeated in my baby Deltic thread too) are hardly likely to ingratiate yourself to either myself of the team either. If all you want to do is to drive around in a CL101 in EVERY activity then you will have plenty of opportunity to make your own activities to satisfy your own whims then.

Until then just try and get some imagination or, if that is impossible, stop making pointless negative remarks until then route is released and then you can criticise to your hearts content if thats all you want to do

(Mind you I'll also point out now that there are whole sections of line, stations and even some trees that also didn't exist at the same time as some of the stock pictured. Just warning you about this now, well in advance, in case the shock is too much for you )

Regards David

[Lad491]

but surely not all in one activity

Possibly you will, at least in my contribution Unfortunately im not a railway person, im a computer simulation person. I know very little about the real railways and nothing about the ECML other than what ive seen on films / DVD's. I have to be guided by the stock that the CD compiler provides. When a route spans a fairly wide period of time as in this case, anything available to use is fair game, so Im afraid you will find 60's stock sitting comfortably beside 80's stock.

Still you can always change stock in activities to meet your requirements if you are not happy with my choices

[systema]

I have mentioned it many times before- MIDEASTPLUS is a semi fictional route. It is not meant to be a representation of an existing or pre existing railway. It contains lines and locations that never existed and lines that used to exist but have long gone. To encompass this philosophy, the era span is quite large based on approximately 10 years either side of 1977. This means it is mainly BR Blue and the vast majority of stock will be appropriate to that era, but there is some earlier stuff and a hint of the more modern era. I expect most of the final activities to use reasonably contemporaneous stock, but I see no reason not to use poetic license occasionally and have a variety of stock from different times in an activity.

MEP therefore is strictly not for the rivet counters. If you want to see an exact replication of the ECML at a moment in time you will be disappointed. If you want to see a broad representation of how the ECML may have been without Beeching and at a time when the British Government had a proper transport policy, then you may find it to your liking.

The choice is yours.

Mick Clarke

[rwaceyw]

It's funny how you know just by the name of the person posting that the comment will be a negative one

Funny - I don't see anything negative in my post, just constructive critisism. Maybe you view it as negative as i'm one of only a few on these forums who'll actually speak my mind, rather than say "WOW" just like everyone else? Sorry for not being a sheep

If all you want to do is to drive around in a CL101 in EVERY activity then you will have plenty of opportunity to make your own activities to satisfy your own whims then.

You've totally misunderstood my point - i'm all up for variety in activities....but i'm also up for realism. Theres some absolutely cracking shots posted at the moment on various routes....and the main reason they look cracking is because they're so close to realism. It's not exceptionally hard to achieve either.

(Mind you I'll also point out now that there are whole sections of line, stations and even some trees that also didn't exist at the same time as some of the stock pictured. Just warning you about this now, well in advance, in case the shock is too much for you )

Now thats entirely different. More route mileage etc is offering 'more for your money' - and indeed so is stock from different eras. I've no qualms with 1960s activities or whatnot...heck, take Locomotion down it if you like...! However eras 'crossing' is my niggle....especially when it's so easy to prevent.

but I see no reason not to use poetic license occasionally and have a variety of stock from different times in an activity.

I fully agree! In some activities, especially those with a fictional pretence, passing interesting stock rather than realistic set-ups makes for a better run. However surely there is the scope within the included stock for at least a few 'real' activities? People drive routes for different reasons....some people may enjoy passing a parade of different items....however for me, there'd be nothing better than taking a Deltic to York and everything being 'right' along the way.

The screenshots prove the stock is there, the information to base it on is freely available...so come on guys - every MSTS route is fictional to an extent, but that's never stopped 'hyper-real' activities before - you only have to look at something like Thames Mersey to see my point. As said, if extra work is required, i'm in....so whats to lose?

Dave

[Timcourt1]

I'll come in and add to Micks Comments, Mideast (Formerly fictional ECML many moons ago) Is and always was semi fictional, the main reason was to add as much activity potential to the route and lift any restrictions on time periods and stock so the route can cover just about anything.

Remember this is a very large route (Even bigger now thanks to Micks ideas) and is High Maintenance, it is also a very old route in being the first Uk route "based on" a prototype for MSTS and is close to the same age as the sim itself.

I never really had time to make an extension and thanks to Mick and the team he has put together from the community you will be getting a major route which will keep you busy for a very long time since there are tons of little places to go and discover (Some people still haven't seen all of the original route either)



Tim C

[systema]

The screenshots prove the stock is there, the information to base it on is freely available...so come on guys - every MSTS route is fictional to an extent, but that's never stopped 'hyper-real' activities before - you only have to look at something like Thames Mersey to see my point. As said, if extra work is required, i'm in....so whats to lose?

Dave,

I'm sure you will find many activities which are as you call it, 'hyper-real', when the DVD comes out. The problem at the moment is that all the stock is not available and testing has been/is being done mostly with the MidEastUK Stock Disc items. Stock is the number one priority at the moment. Most of the screen shots you have seen so far do not contain the route stock as will be. All will change in the near future.

Mick Clarke

[rwaceyw]

Absolutely cracking news Mike....i'll keep my trap shut from now on and wait eagerly

Dave

(P.S - got a set of Finsbury Park 31s lying around if you want them?)