First 395 is on the way

enotayokel · Post by **enotayokel** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:39 pm

http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=4177

spartacus · Post by **spartacus** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:48 pm

Paint purchesed on the cheap from GNER?

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:49 pm

Seems strange to have a highspeed train without flush fitting doors.

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:50 pm

More room to pack commuters in that way!

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:05 pm

More room if you did not need pockets for the doors to slide into !

Hymek · Post by **Hymek** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:59 pm

is it me, or does it look like a stunted class 373 with different doors

tisnt a pretty thing either tbh

AlistairW · Post by **AlistairW** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:29 pm

Hymek wrote:is it me, or does it look like a stunted class 373 with different doors

tisnt a pretty thing either tbh

Personally I think it looks pretty good! Better than any of the other new stuff we have floating around.

Gavin-D · Post by **Gavin-D** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:53 pm

Must say it looks excellent looks a bit like the GNER Eurostars.

Regards

Gav

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:31 pm

Looks OK to me. Nothing particularly special.

The sliding doors do look rather incongruous though. But I'm sure they thought about the aerodynamics of that when they decided to go down that route!

richard222 · Post by **richard222** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:28 pm

Carriages look rather short to me, Unfortunately, I think it looks like a common surban EMU with a Pendo's front nose added on, but surprisingly I quite like that look

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:32 pm

During construction of the first unit the decision was taken to change the colour of the livery of the trains from the light grey seen on concept drawings - and matching other recently introduced Southeastern trains - to a dark blue.

Such as ?

ajax103 · Post by **ajax103** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:35 pm

I wonder if the new trains to replace the 91's and HST's in the future on the ECML may look like that but longer of course.

BR7MT · Post by **BR7MT** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:24 pm

richard222 wrote:Carriages look rather short to me, Unfortunately, I think it looks like a common surban EMU with a Pendo's front nose added on, but surprisingly I quite like that look

That is because they are also intended to work on the non-High Speed lines in Kent. The sorter carriage length permits them to traverse sharper curves.

As for the second comment - that is because they are! The Hitachi A-train concept is an EMU that can be customised for 4 different forms of travel, with high speed being top of the range. If it hadn't been for the longer lead times to production (for detailed design work) the A-train would have been chosen over the Electrostar for the South Eastern replacement stock. This would have meant most of the SET fleet in 2015 being fitted with Hitachi traction packages.

The doors are Hitachi's own design, as used on the Shinkansen sets (and are very reliable, much more so than the sliding plug doors on the 465's and 375's!).

Regards,

Dan

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:28 pm

BR7MT wrote:As for the second comment - that is because they are! The Hitachi A-train concept is an EMU that can be customised for 4 different forms of travel, with high speed being top of the range. If it hadn't been for the longer lead times to production (for detailed design work) the A-train would have been chosen over the Electrostar for the South Eastern replacement stock. This would have meant most of the SET fleet in 2015 being fitted with Hitachi traction packages.

Would Connex have ordered Hitachi trains then? In which case, the SC (Southern) trains would also be Hitachi?

It's a bit laughable to call these things "bullet trains" as I have seen mentioned - they are high geared suburban EMUs with pointy fronts...

BR7MT · Post by **BR7MT** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:40 pm

arabiandisco wrote:Would Connex have ordered Hitachi trains then? In which case, the SC (Southern) trains would also be Hitachi?

Good question - answer: don't know!

The South Central / Southern Railway fleet are owned by a different ROSCO though, which may have had a big influence on the outcome.

Regards,

Dan