GNER 125 and 225

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:06 pm

Is there ans specific routes that GNER intercity 125 or 225 travel to or are they just randomly put on? The reason I ask is that the ECML is fully electified so there is no 'restricted' areas that 125's or 225s can't run on.

Regards

Karl

Beetlejuice · Post by **Beetlejuice** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:11 pm

GNER run 125's if the train is going on to a non electrified destination such as Aberdean. Spare sets go on slower sevices as they have slower acceleration. 225's go everywhere electrified.

enotayokel · Post by **enotayokel** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:13 pm

HSTs are used on services north of edinburgh where there is no knitting to power the 225s

Also IIRC the GNER sets are allegedly only capable of 115 on level track

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:15 pm

So anything to Edinburgh would be 125 or 225. Anything after Edinburgh would be a 125.

Regards

Karl

JSReeves86 · Post by **JSReeves86** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:16 pm

Some of the HSTs (125s) are now working the extra Leeds trains aswell, a totaly electrified route but they dont have enough 225s for the services.

JR

arabiandisco · Post by **arabiandisco** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:43 pm

karlrestall wrote:So anything to Edinburgh would be 125 or 225. Anything after Edinburgh would be a 125.

Regards

Karl

Not quite - Glasgow is electric.

I think that the Skipton train is a HST too, as the electrification up there isn't up to a 91. Bradford is OK for an electric set, though.

Other GNER non-electrified destinations are Hull, Harrogate, Inverness & Aberdeen. I think the second Leeds train per hour will be a HST as the route via Wakefield is full to bursting, so the additional trains might go via Hambleton Jn.

They also use HSTs when they decide to divert (though bustitution is a more likely option).

MoonKid47 · Post by **MoonKid47** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:02 pm

arabiandisco wrote:I think that the Skipton train is a HST too, as the electrification up there isn't up to a 91. Bradford is OK for an electric set, though.

Ahh, i remember reading that, the last time they tried it it drained all the electricity on the Airedale route.

wdpics · Post by **wdpics** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:10 pm

Main route kings x to Aberdeen is ran with HST class 43's. If it is Kings x to Edinburgh, it can be either.

As said above, the electic stops at Edinburgh Haymarket (pt 3 and 4 are only electric) where as waverly has every long platform to be electrified. pt 3 and 4 at haymarket run towards Glasgow via shots (electric) towards motherwell, glasgow central, and back down the WCML (part non electric)

Haymarket platforms 0, 1 and 2 are non electric (platform 2 is for going to Aberdeen / inverness)

RichD3167 · Post by **RichD3167** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:11 pm

That's right. The 91 made it to Skipton no problem, but every other unit in the area running off leccy failed!

enotayokel · Post by **enotayokel** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:12 pm

MoonKid47 wrote:
arabiandisco wrote:I think that the Skipton train is a HST too, as the electrification up there isn't up to a 91. Bradford is OK for an electric set, though.
Ahh, i remember reading that, the last time they tried it it drained all the electricity on the Airedale route.

Yep - The power is so weak that 333s can't run in multiple, when the 91 was tried it bought every EMU north of Shipley to a halt (this was in the days of IIRC 308s)

spartacus · Post by **spartacus** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:58 am

HSTs to Skipton, Harrogate and Hull as well as services north of the wires in Scotland. They're also used on 'infill services' mainly to Leeds. There's also a GNER service to York and one to Leeds booked to go via unelectrified lines in Yorkshire, mainly to maintain route knowledge, and HSTs are obviously used for those.

alexnick · Post by **alexnick** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:53 am

HSTs generally work the 'stopping' services to Newcastle. I use them quite a lot. They run:
Kings X
Stevenage
Peterborough
Newark Northgate
Grantham
Doncaster
York
Darlington
Durham
Newcastle

This seems somewhat pointless as the route is electrified.

All the Edinburgh and Glasgow runs are normally 225s.

Nick

AlistairW · Post by **AlistairW** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:21 pm

As Alex mentioned a lot of Newcastle stoppers are HSTs and as JSReeves mentioned a lot of Leeds trains are HSTs.

Also any train heading North from Leeds will be an HST, there’s one every day early in the morning to Aberdeen.

GNER's website tells you what stock operates what train:
http://www.gner.co.uk/GNER/Traintimes/JuneToDecember/

So no, it certainly isn't random.

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:54 pm

Interesting, didn't think GNER would have thier sets detailed on thier site as most companies don't. Thanks for your help.

Regards

Karl

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:42 pm

Me again

, One more question honnest, are there set arrival and departure platforms for GNER, FCC and Hull Trains? For example GNER use platforms 1-7 FCC use 8 & 9 and Hull Trains use platform 10 & 11? I suspect that there will be specific platforms for the TOCs to use but there seems to be no set rule apart from LK+ to Edinburgh trains seem to leave from platform 1. Also what platforms will Grand Central use when they start in September?

Any help would be appreciated, I am in the process of making an activity so all this information won't go to waste.

Regards

Karl