47901

46009 · Post by **46009** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:28 pm

I saw that someone has posted a model of 47901 on UKTrainsim. It looks like a good model. However, I have a question. On one side of the real 47901 one of its windows (one of the two on the side of the body) were filled in. See this photo of it at Crewe.

http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pic4790 ... ril80.html

I think it was only on one side though. Did 47901 always have this window missing (up to the mid 90s as depicted in the model) and if so, does the model 47901? From the screenshot it seems to have two body windows (as one side of the locomotive did). I would just download the model and answer the question myself, but my PC is in the process of being moved across the city right now.

crompton · Post by **crompton** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:57 pm

Very observant 46009, I looked at this picture when I was doing 47601 - hope it wasn't like that for this loco as well.

Ian J

46009 · Post by **46009** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:07 pm

I'm not sure about this. The one photo I have seen of the window blocked out suggests that it is the window on the right of the loco as you look at the locomotive from the number 2 end. (I am determining the end which has the fan/grills at the top of the loco to be the number 1 end). Look at this photo of the right side of the loco from the number 2 end (fans and grill at the top of the loco are at the other end of this picture).

http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pic4790 ... ril80.html

The window nearest the number 2 end is missing. All the other photographs on the web show the locomotive from the number 1 end and the other side than the one we need to see to solve this mystery. For example.... (notice that the grill/fan is at the front here - the number 1 end).

http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pic4790 ... 60590.html
http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pictsp4 ... 50887.html
http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pic4790 ... 10388.html

What we need is a 1990s picture of 47901 from the number 2 end looking at the right hand side of the locomotive as in the one of it at Crewe. It is true that it did have both windows on one side - we can see that. Anyone got any pictures of 47901 so we can solve this problem?

snowcrashandy · Post by **snowcrashandy** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:55 pm

There's one of 47901 on Bath Road Depot in Ian Allan's "Type 5 Freight Diesels" although it's still in BR Blue, photo's dated 02-06-1987 it didn't have the window then and was repainted 6 months later.

Can't see them putting a new window in personally, can't find any more pics of it from the end in question either.....

Another Blue shot's online....

http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/gb/die ... 9/pix.html

but taken 1985 at Swindon Works.

Cheers,

Andy.

46009 · Post by **46009** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 1:54 pm

Actually I looked at the 47901 model that has been released. The window in question is present on this model. Can the author comment on whether the window was put back in and which photographs they used? Sorry to sound picky. I don't actually know much about 47901 other than it was a testbed for other locomotives. To me it has the outward appearance of a regular class 47, so the missing window would be an important part of any model 47901.

basildd · Post by **basildd** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 12:17 pm

What window on 47901 are we referring to?

snowcrashandy · Post by **snowcrashandy** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:33 pm

Ere, someone's nicked a window!

Nice model and texturing!

Any chance of it in BR blue with a painted "Westbury Horse" above the number?

Andy.

:drinking:

basildd · Post by **basildd** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:29 pm

snowcrashandy wrote:Ere, someone's nicked a window!

Nice model and texturing!

Any chance of it in BR blue with a painted "Westbury Horse" above the number?

Andy.

get me a Westbury horse and it will be done!

snowcrashandy · Post by **snowcrashandy** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 10:52 pm

Hmm! no icon for "digging around all the acculmulated c**p that just might have a picture of a cabside Westbury horse"

I WILL find one though and E mail it onwards!

(Twas done in the style of the Canton Sheep cabside logo of late 80s fame!)

Dig, dig, dig!

Cheers for offering to doing a blue version, BR Blue 47901 was a famous resident of Bath Road, it probably spent more time there than earning money.

Brush came up with the idea of a class 57 many years later, re-engining 47s isn't exactly a new idea.........

A Westbury Horse, I will find one!

Andy.

:drinking:

basildd · Post by **basildd** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 11:51 pm

snowcrashandy wrote:Hmm! no icon for "digging around all the acculmulated c**p that just might have a picture of a cabside Westbury horse"

I WILL find one though and E mail it onwards!

(Twas done in the style of the Canton Sheep cabside logo of late 80s fame!)

Dig, dig, dig!

Cheers for offering to doing a blue version, BR Blue 47901 was a famous resident of Bath Road, it probably spent more time there than earning money.

Brush came up with the idea of a class 57 many years later, re-engining 47s isn't exactly a new idea.........

A Westbury Horse, I will find one!

Andy.

Well if you can it would be useful - especially if you want it to be accurate. If I still had one of my fablon ones left, could have done a 'New Forest Pony' as carried by some of the 33's, an 08 at EH and 205027 (Centre coach). I guess its safe to reveal now that they were made in my kitchen in Basingstoke from white sticky fablon, using a traced picture from the Magpie book of ponies. As a guard at the time, there was lots of opportunity to apply them without getting caught - in fact Westbury got blamed for putting them on the loco's, until the depot foreman at Eastleigh found one attached to the toolbox of 08892!

basildd · Post by **basildd** » Sun Jul 28, 2002 11:43 am

crompton wrote:Very observant 46009, I looked at this picture when I was doing 47601 - hope it wasn't like that for this loco as well.

Ian J

Erm... http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pic4760 ... aug76.html

Not only that, the roof vents on that side look different...

(Glad this is only a game at the end of the day!)

basildd · Post by **basildd** » Sun Jul 28, 2002 1:23 pm

Is this what you meant Andy? I would have uploaded it but 46009 will probably say its the wrong sort of white horse on the side!

snowcrashandy · Post by **snowcrashandy** » Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:16 am

Marvelously spot on Basil!

Is it the right kind of GB sticker on the front? Never saw 901 with that on

Recreating your own Westbury Horse after all those years, nice one!

901 in blue with horse would be a most welcome upload....

Whilst looking for that horse I managed to dig out some wonderfully bad photos, how I wish I had taken (decent) photos of the Canton sheep and the Toton snail all those years ago....

Cheers Basil/Dale, nice to know where the "Westbury Horse" originated.

Andy.

basildd · Post by **basildd** » Mon Jul 29, 2002 1:28 pm

snowcrashandy wrote:Marvelously spot on Basil!

Is it the right kind of GB sticker on the front? Never saw 901 with that on

Recreating your own Westbury Horse after all those years, nice one!

901 in blue with horse would be a most welcome upload....

Whilst looking for that horse I managed to dig out some wonderfully bad photos, how I wish I had taken (decent) photos of the Canton sheep and the Toton snail all those years ago....

Cheers Basil/Dale, nice to know where the "Westbury Horse" originated.

Andy.

Thanks! Check this out for the GB sticker!
http://www.brush4.co.uk/gallery/pictsp4 ... 50887.html

I will upload it when the next batch of 47's are ready - which are 47475 in Provincial blue, 47522 in Parcels Green and 47407 Aycliffe in Mainline Intercity with yellow cab roof. Still have a few bits to do to 901 - full red bufferbeam, worksplate on the cabside, repositioning the BR logo etc.

(Can't believe I am in 'spoon' mode at the moment - thought it was bad enough doing 37's....

)

I know what you mean about the photo's of things like that - I have some somewhere, just can't put my finger on them - and as stated in another thread, the release of 522 is being held up for want of a Cockney Sparrow logo on the side - and how many times did we see those!

snowcrashandy · Post by **snowcrashandy** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:02 am

[quote="basildd"](Can't believe I am in 'spoon' mode at the moment - thought it was bad enough doing 37's....

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Lots more 47s than 37s! Could keep you really busy....

I'll look forward to them when they arrive. See you got your Sparrow, "Train Modelers" gets looked at before "Planned Creations"

Cheers,

Anyd.