North London Line Headcodes

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:43 am

Anyone know what the headcodes were used on the NLL out of Broad Street and thier routes?

Seems to be very little info about it.

asharte · Post by **asharte** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:36 pm

For the sake of completeness (IIRC)...

B1: Euston - Watford (& vv)
B2: Broad St - Watford via Primrose Hill (& vv)
B4: Broad St - Richmond [and Willesden Jn LL??] (& vv)
B9: Croxley Green (& vv)

There was also a code for Broad St - Watford via Hampstead Heath

There may have been others for long gone services eg Rickmansworth (Church Street)

From a friend: "Of course B* denoted stopping train, A* was express"

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:12 pm

Any ideas what the Stratford and North Woolwich services were? I saw some with a C, where did they went?

asharte · Post by **asharte** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:27 pm

Sorry Southcoast no, I don't recall 'C' services. I'm sure there was a triangle junction at Dalston, but the only services I can remember headed west from Broad Street. No doubt there were others, but I don't know how Stratford and North Woolwich were served back then.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:01 pm

2C24 is Watford - London

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:03 pm

Glad i kept simsig NLL v2.85

2N** North Woolwich <> Richmond class 313 EMUs
2J** Gospel Oak <> Barking DMUs
2Y** Clapham Junction <> Willesden Junction High Level EMUs
5S** Trains reversing at Stratford
5Y** Trains reversing at Kensal Green Jn
5X** Eurostars for GNERâ€™s White Rose Service to Leeds
*O** Trains running to Southern Region (usually towards Kew East Jn or Mitre Bridge Jn)
*L** Trains running to Anglia Region (usually towards Stratford, Barking, or Temple Mills)
*E** Trains running to Eastern Region (usually towards Finsbury Park or Kingâ€™s Cross Freight Terminal Jn)
*M** Trains running to London Midland Region (usually towards Camden Jn or Harlesden Jn)
*V** Trains running to Western Region (usually towards Acton East Jn)

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:26 pm

Wrong kinda headcodes matey

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:35 pm

oh, ohwell, im thinking this has got something to do with the two digit box thingy's that the 313's never had.

asharte · Post by **asharte** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:08 pm

Yes salopiangrowler - it's the headcode that appeared in "the two digit box thingy's" that southcoasttrains is asking about.

doclivcm · Post by **doclivcm** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:08 am

I ran up and down the NLL as a guard a few times when they were running the 416s. All they used were 2 white blanks and just above those was a very small destination blind.
Blimey! That takes me back 18 years!!

DOC

asharte · Post by **asharte** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:52 pm

Dear southcoasttrains…
Took the opportunity during the Christmas holidays to trawl through memorabilia from the early 80s, but failed to turn up any gen on headcodes. However, I can answer your question about other services:

½ hourly DMU service Gospel Oak to Barking & vv
½ hourly DMU service Camden Road to North Woolwich &vv (thereby serving Stratford)

For the sake of completeness / future reference, the DC services were:
B1: Euston to Watford Jn & vv - every 20 minutes (every 30 minutes in peak hours)
B2: Broad St to Watford Jn & vv (via Primrose Hill) - every 30 minutes in peak hours
B4: Broad St to Richmond & vv – every 20 minutes
B9: Watford Jn to Croxley Green & vv - peak hours only service.
Bx: Watford Jn to Broad St (via Hampstead Heath) - 2 morning peak hour trains (I don’t think that there was a corresponding evening peak service).

Basically in the peaks the Watford Jn – Euston & Broad St services interleaved to give an every 15 minute service between Watford Jn and South Hampstead (the 2 additional Bxs left the DC line after Willesden Jn).

The withdrawal of the 4 peak hour Bakerloo Watford Jn services in 1982 left no Bakerloos north of Stonebridge Park at any time and the BR peak hour service of 4tph really wasn’t sufficient.

Realistically there wasn’t a need for Bakerloos north of Harrow & Wealdstone but just as realistically they were required south of there and could easily have run by using the turn-back sidings. However, someone must’ve been listening to the grumbling & common sense proposals from ground level as a peak hour service was re-instated as far as Harrow & Wealdstone in 1984, and the Bakerloo service has gone from strength to strength since.

NiallGray · Post by **NiallGray** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:23 pm

Slightly off-topic, but I remember someone trying to build this route a long long time ago. North London line as a youth was a great line as you could cross and change onto so many different lines.

simont · Post by **simont** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:45 am

asharte wrote:Dear southcoasttrains…
Took the opportunity during the Christmas holidays to trawl through memorabilia from the early 80s, but failed to turn up any gen on headcodes. However, I can answer your question about other services:

½ hourly DMU service Gospel Oak to Barking & vv
½ hourly DMU service Camden Road to North Woolwich &vv (thereby serving Stratford)

For the sake of completeness / future reference, the DC services were:
B1: Euston to Watford Jn & vv - every 20 minutes (every 30 minutes in peak hours)
B2: Broad St to Watford Jn & vv (via Primrose Hill) - every 30 minutes in peak hours
B4: Broad St to Richmond & vv – every 20 minutes
B9: Watford Jn to Croxley Green & vv - peak hours only service.
Bx: Watford Jn to Broad St (via Hampstead Heath) - 2 morning peak hour trains (I don’t think that there was a corresponding evening peak service).

Basically in the peaks the Watford Jn – Euston & Broad St services interleaved to give an every 15 minute service between Watford Jn and South Hampstead (the 2 additional Bxs left the DC line after Willesden Jn).

The withdrawal of the 4 peak hour Bakerloo Watford Jn services in 1982 left no Bakerloos north of Stonebridge Park at any time and the BR peak hour service of 4tph really wasn’t sufficient.

Realistically there wasn’t a need for Bakerloos north of Harrow & Wealdstone but just as realistically they were required south of there and could easily have run by using the turn-back sidings. However, someone must’ve been listening to the grumbling & common sense proposals from ground level as a peak hour service was re-instated as far as Harrow & Wealdstone in 1984, and the Bakerloo service has gone from strength to strength since.

And the Bakerloo line will eventually take over completely, by all accounts, which saddens me somewhat, particularly Euston losing it's inner-suburban service.

Fascinating stuff, by the way, thanks for that, the NLR suburban network is one of my favourite railway subjects.

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:07 pm

it saddens me also but the extention of the Baker's to Watford means TfL and Metronet can reduce to height of the platforms for level entrance onto the Bakerloo Underground train's. By all accounts its a hell of a drop on the former NR platforms from Queens Park - Harrow & Wealdstone.