Where can I find

monarchgold · Post by **monarchgold** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:57 pm

Where can I find freeware British Rail brake Vans

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:01 pm

On UKTS - try a search. Not the hardest thing to find

David

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:02 pm

Try drilling down in the file library into freight wagons. Took me about 2 minutes to locate http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-direc ... =4,cls=449

Kindest regards

John

petethetim · Post by **petethetim** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:45 pm

monarchgold
use the search system mate thats what it is there for

monarchgold · Post by **monarchgold** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:49 pm

Cheers John - I'm going to get the BR Diagram 506 Brakevans as I think they suit a train that uses Class 20s as engines. Am I right in saying that one is placed at each end of the train for extra braking power?

Cheers again

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:00 pm

monarchgold wrote:Cheers John - I'm going to get the BR Diagram 506 Brakevans as I think they suit a train that uses Class 20s as engines. Am I right in saying that one is placed at each end of the train for extra braking power?

Unlikely, AFAIK. Two brake vans would need two brake men (guards) to set them. I used to see unfitted coal trains with two 20s up front passing Basford in Nottingham at 20mph or so with only a single brake van. Usual practice would have been to use the brake van as an adjunct to the loco brakes on an unfitted train, and if much more braking was needed, stop and pin down some or all of the wagons.

Rick or one of our other ex-BR men would be a better authority, though...

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:35 pm

We realy need 'ianmacmillan' here

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:38 pm

Here I am.

Only one brake van would be used for braking power - there was only one guard to work the brake.

Two brake vans would be used if the train required to reverse en-route in order to save time shunting the van or if a propelling move was required.

Engineers trains often had to do this and were often diagrammed to take two brakes as they usually ran on a work as required basis and could not be sure where they would be sent.
For a single cab loco, a barrier wagon was required between the loco and a wagon carrying rails to protect it from a shifting load. A brake van was usually used for this.

Guards would not take a second brakevan if they could be sure it wasn't needed.
The van had to be prepared with lamps, brake stick and coupling pole and the fire cleaned and lit.
Once a van was prepared the guard would keep it for the whole shift running engine and van if required. An Loco was allowed to propell the van (or two) up to 15 miles.

Brake vans were always in short supply. Sometimes a shortage would be made up by transferring a few vans as part of a train but they could be marshalled anywhere.

Few brakevans had auto brakes so they would not be used as a fitted head.

Finally, a word to activity writers.

Brake vans were stored at major yards or near loco sheds where they could be reached at the start of a shift.
They would not be left in isolated yards and sidings and most definately not in private sidings.

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:53 pm

Told you we needed Ian

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:55 pm

RobertM wrote:Told you we needed Ian

OK, so I forgot Ian's an ex-railwayman as well..... told you I was getting old.

Sorry, Ian.

BarryH - thenudehamster
Certified Old Fart
Any opinion expressed above is herein warranted to be worth exactly what you paid for it...

chrisiveson · Post by **chrisiveson** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:01 pm

So, what about a caption for this one?

Chris.

petethetim · Post by **petethetim** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:56 pm

chrisiveson wrote:So, what about a caption for this one?

Chris.

Gimme a Brake.........Van??????

trainlover123 · Post by **trainlover123** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:39 am

A lack of Mk1's sees BR go to extreme measures to get those trains running.

ashgray · Post by **ashgray** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:53 am

Virgin introduce O8's on the West Coast Main Line in effort to improve punctuality/reliablity

Cheers
Ashley

Lad491 · Post by **Lad491** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:27 am

I know its cold but that guard will do anything to get a bigger supply of coal