Faults with ECE

[salopiangrowler]

TO be Honest Tim Courts mid East UK looks every bit as good

So far, I've tried to avoid any opinionated posts, as I'm sure it's well known that I worked on this route during my time with EB.....

I still think that MidEast is a cracking route, but I have to disagree that it looks every bit as good as ECE. I think the station buildings are head and shoulders above those of MidEast, and the signalling is superb.

Dont get me wrong - I'm not criticising MidEast at all - it's still my overall favourite route

Cheers

Gary

Im sorry if you spent so long wasting your time on GNEReastcoast as its original name was, and used to be downloadable from this site nearly 5 years ago.

Errors List:
Signal problems at KX platform 7 and 8
OHLE gantry all over the place and not where its supposed to be
Bland empty spaces as seen on 45002's screenshot's
Freeware Buildings that are still available for download
the 91 doesnt match the MK4 stock in intercity livery
HST ok the trailers let it down
317 not the correct version
KX layout no where near as realistic as it should be (Ok there are limits but the throats not that complicated)
i suspect Gasworks tunnels not even the slightest has any severe gradients on it, Reality decends 1 in 60 to dive under the union canal and climbs 1 in 78 to go through copenhagen gardens.
Hornsey station platforms look a mess.

Whoever wrote the activities need to rethink the timings one express with hst completes london peterborough in 55 minutes yet the 225 does it in 1h 55minutes, real time 30 minutes 45 with stevenage stop.

Sounds and cabviews are about the only thing decent in this add on im sorry people who have paid 20+ quid for it, get you money back. it aint even worth the £4.50 the freeware routes are worth.

[ied]

I have to agree, that said, I got it today and have rather enjoyed playing it.

Shame it's the same old default EB buildings as well...

[spartacus]

From what I've seen and heard it is a bit of a let down, especially for a commercial route, and particularly if you know the route. Certainly not a route that will make users put the ECML of Mid-East to one side in favour of this in the same way Skipton - Carlisle 1920s did to the default route.

A shame really as I was really looking forward to it, but I never pre-order stuff just in case they don't come up to scratch.

[saddletank]

I think by now that when people see a route is by Blue Arrow, or Making Tracks or 3DTrainStuff or Europeanbahn, or MLT or Streamlines or VScaleCreations or whoever, they pretty much know what to expect from previous releases by the same company. Why people are surprised at ECE and thought they'd get something different I just don't understand.

When I see a Maple Leaf Tracks route advertised I know exactly what I'm going to get, so should people who buy an EB product.

Martin

[swt455]

AGREED!!

Making Tracks: Great Routes, the MT:Springfield route was one of the best i have so i expect wonders for the Great Eastern route.

HOWEVER

A certain Europeanbahn route i have has no real character so why didnt i buy the ECE? A longer version of non characteristic stock and route to clutter up MSTS?
No thanks

Although the Europeanbahn 421 is rather good!! The sounds and cabview provided by them are also most great.

Regards

swt458

[pdude2004]

EB tend to have rediculous innaccuracies, more so than any other commercial developer.

I think the best are MT, BATS and 3DTS.

[jp4712]

Okay, please let's keep it to issues with the route...

Paul

[pdude2004]

Although the Europeanbahn 421 is rather good!! The sounds and cabview provided by them are also most great.

Regards

swt458

I didn't like the EB 421. I found the acceleration is much faster than reality, and the brake guages go backwards!

The MT 421 looks a lot better, and has a photo-realistic cab, and the acceleration seems a lot more realistic... however, unfortunatly there are no passenger views... And the throttle isn't quite right.

[pdude2004]

Okay, please let's keep it to issues with the route...

Paul

Sorry.

[salopiangrowler]

I think by now that when people see a route is by Blue Arrow, or Making Tracks or 3DTrainStuff or Europeanbahn, or MLT or Streamlines or VScaleCreations or whoever, they pretty much know what to expect from previous releases by the same company. Why people are surprised at ECE and thought they'd get something different I just don't understand.

Because by now everyone realises and knows that ECE is really a spruced up GNER east coast, if EB scratch built it it would have been alot worse.

When I see a Maple Leaf Tracks route advertised I know exactly what I'm going to get, so should people who buy an EB product.
Martin

If they enjoyed the first lot of routes yes, ive got nearly all MLT routes i think ive only one more MLT add on to get actually, thats how much i think of a company who has good pr advertisments, striking logo that siuts the companies genre etc etc.

EB on the other hand have a website that i could build and i dont know how too, poor PR, not bad on the advertising this time round, and poor mistakes that are easily avoidable.

[allandin]

easy guys eb don,t claim this is a high end product it seems there
are simmers out there that need total realism thats ok but this route is designed for frame rate and lower end pc,s if you don,t like it don,t buy it
but don,t slag it off.
To sum it up if you want a good frame rate and a good trash on a mainline try this

[Backfoot2002]

easy guys eb don,t claim this is a high end product it seems there
are simmers out there that need total realism thats ok but this route is designed for frame rate and lower end pc,s if you don,t like it don,t buy it
but don,t slag it off.
To sum it up if you want a good frame rate and a good trash on a mainline try this

I don't think people are slagging it off, they are making contructive critisim. I found the route was a bit of a let down. The stock is very poor indeed, no where near commercial quailty. As somone pointed out in a previous thread, even the lines on the DVT and the MK4 coach dont match, and its not a little, its a big difference! Same with the GNER version, all the coaches have a glitch in the middle, where the lines don't match up.

There are no excuses for these mistakes. You have high detail model, just use LOD's. And good textures can't slow up a computer, so if they time was taken to correct them, they might have saved themselves some embarrasment.

[danielw2599]

easy guys eb don,t claim this is a high end product it seems there
are simmers out there that need total realism thats ok but this route is designed for frame rate and lower end pc,s if you don,t like it don,t buy it
but don,t slag it off.
To sum it up if you want a good frame rate and a good trash on a mainline try this

Im sorry, but if you enter a product in a commercial market you should be able to take critisim if the product doesnt meet expectations. We are paying for it, therefore we deserve out opinions.

[Lad491]

Constructive critisicm in my view means you highlight the bad but also the good. Ignoring the good and just concentrating on the bad (in your view) points isn't constructive critisicm.

I dont see the freeware authors coming in for the same stick when many, many have mcuh that is bad or poor, as well as much that is good.

[tydev417]

You want to know why people buy EB's sutff, becuase we're open minded to new things. Just because it may not be as superbly detailed as others, it gets the job done. No one else here had plans to make a ECML route so they took the old one and remodelled it and I see no harm done in that as it's been done before.

And it's EB so what do you expect? If you don't like it, don't buy it.