For Rail Companies who deny use of their logo....

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:11 pm

http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/General+ ... efault.htm

Speaks for itself I think?

Geoff

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:07 pm

What it doesnt say is that if you want to do commercial locos of CN then you need a license like you do for UP and CSX ( plus there aquired fallen flags ), unless of course CN has changed its tack since l last looked at all this blurb, in which case l stand corrected.

Best

Michael

Post by **codrivermike** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:39 pm

I think they are just covering their backsides if someone starts a website of MSTS crashes featuring their trains. I think it's good that they are allowing MSTS downloads and hosting them on their own site. Like I've said before, I don't expect Virgin to start offering a sample version of Thames Mersey in the near future.

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:02 pm

codrivermike wrote: Like I've said before, I don't expect Virgin to start offering a sample version of Thames Mersey in the near future.

I don't think Dave Corfield would be very pleased either....he have to go back into the route editor to misalign and put loads of speed restrictions in.....

Crosstie · Post by **Crosstie** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:16 am

From articles I've read concerning US railroads, they are quite happy to issue licenses to model railroad and virtual railroad makers.

They are more interested in accuracy and "good taste" than in making any money. The license fees are very nominal, I think.

UK railroads may have a diiferent approach, though I can't think why.

Stu.

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:31 am

Hi Stu
As far as I'm aware its similar here, I'm not sure what Geoffs thread is about....maybe he'll post back later to explain further.
Cheers
Jon

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:44 am

I seem to have caused some confusion?

I just thought that considering the problems MLT had right back at the start with CP's logo that it was great to see such a wholehearted interest in the sim from them now.

Surely CP's MSTS content on their rail companies web site must be unique.

I know most companies grant permission but I remember the huge problems there seemed to be over here with GNER for instance..... now resolved???? .....or is that only on freeware? and what about Eurostar?

IMHO CP's lead is a very positive precedent, and one that other companies should be directed to?

Most rail companies that interest me are long defunct anyway but there's undoubtedly a huge fan base for modern railways both here and in the States. Norfolk and Western, if the forums are to be believed, delayed the release of Danny Beck's excellent commercial add-on of their locos. It seems surprising that "V" models have this problem when "Real" scale models have been around for a century?

Geoff

Tonysmedley · Post by **Tonysmedley** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:29 am

The fact that a commercial train operating company can be bothered to take an interest in MSTS users must be all to the good. In UK most companies seem to activley discourage any interest in their products by what they see as un-necessary hindrances to their smooth operations - such as passengers.

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:14 pm

Tonysmedley wrote:The fact that a commercial train operating company can be bothered to take an interest in MSTS users must be all to the good. In UK most companies seem to activley discourage any interest in their products by what they see as un-necessary hindrances to their smooth operations - such as passengers.

the way they're increasing fares they'll soon be done with that hindrance!!!

At a public meeting where my in-laws live in West London a PR executive for a company that has since lost it's franchise, testily justified the withdrawal of trains stopping at their local station with "What YOU'VE got to realise is that there's a cost implication in stopping a train at a station." ?!?!?!?! ....er so how else do you pick up your revenue paying passengers Mr D Head?

Politics aside, I can't see how they'll ever provide a competitive service unless there's more state subsidy or re-nationalisation. Even when they were nationalised I believe that government funding was the lowest in Europe? I only got "O level" economics (dumbed down to part of business studies nowadays) but the old supply/demand & cost/price balance is still as sound as it was when I sat that exam back in the early sixties. My local SWT are not integrated into the "Oyster Card" scheme here in London and the price of long haul journeys makes my car the only economic choice. I'd love to ride trains. I just can't afford it.

Geoff

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:32 pm

Hi
With you now Geoff..........this would have proberbly been better posted in the N.A. forum then.
Maybe a MOD will move it.
Cheers
Jon

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:40 pm

jbilton wrote:Hi
With you now Geoff..........this would have proberbly been better posted in the N.A. forum then.
Maybe a MOD will move it.
Cheers
Jon

...........except that it was to illustrate differing attitudes towards the Sim by some UK companies as well as the US. Strangely we probably have more companies to deal with here nowadays as the US (despite all the old rioads liveries still seen) are run by a handful of major companies.

geoff

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:54 pm

lateagain wrote:
jbilton wrote:Hi
With you now Geoff..........this would have proberbly been better posted in the N.A. forum then.
Maybe a MOD will move it.
Cheers
Jon
...........except that it was to illustrate differing attitudes towards the Sim by some UK companies as well as the US. Strangely we probably have more companies to deal with here nowadays as the US (despite all the old rioads liveries still seen) are run by a handful of major companies.

geoff

Hi Geoff
Thats what I thought you meant in the first place.....but I don't know which companies in the UK are not covered by re-paints already on UKTS.
So I didn't and still don't understand this thread.
Cheers
Jon

spartacus · Post by **spartacus** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:08 pm

As far as I know only Eurostar have had problems with MSTS, and that was regarding a commercial product. I doubt they'd be able to do anything about a freeware product though.

chrisiveson · Post by **chrisiveson** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:56 pm

Noticed the supermarket vans in L to B?
Tescoms instead of Tesco.
"Every little helps"':lol:'':lol:'

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:21 pm

I think this has been blown out of proportion.

I have yet to hear of any company complaining about use of their logo on freeware items.

I certainly gave it no thought when I released my Ikea van.

If these companys plaster the real world with their logos and I can't see that they can complain if we include them when we model the real world.

Atomic Systems

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