Which Route?

andrewtoplis · Post by **andrewtoplis** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:10 pm

Hi All,

I am looking for a narrow gauge route to download, will someone recomend me one? I like the look of the Baxter & Son Railway... Or the Piddlington route...both are on Uktrainsim.

Any Suggestions or things I should know? Will I have to download activities seperately (never done it before see)

Thanks Lads
Andy

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:35 pm

Hi Andy
Welcome to the forums.

Both those routes are very very nice.....but I don't remember them coming with many activities.
Try the Talyllyn

Talyllyn Railway Route V1.5.1a Self Install File [35110425 bytes] - Talyllyn V151a ROUTE.zip
File ID: 3604 Date: 26 Oct 2002 - 5574 Downloads

Talyllyn Railway Route V1.5.1a ReadMe File [8137449 bytes] - Talyllyn V151a README.zip
File ID: 2673 Date: 26 Oct 2002 - 3559 Downloads

Talyllyn Railway Route V1.5.1a Example Activities & Consists [188851 bytes] - Talyllyn V151a ACTS&CONS.zip
File ID: 3632 Date: 27 Oct 2002 - 2530 Downloads

Also loads of related good stuff

http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-searc ... or=spontin

Then if you like it , you can also get the updated version off the UKTS CDs

http://www.uktrainsim.com/ordercd.php?

Only Â£6 including a donation to the railway.

Cheers
Jon

andrewgadd · Post by **andrewgadd** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:05 pm

Hi Mate,

Try the Piddington, it's very quick to download (including patch) and easy to install.
Note: The Piddington is a truescale route, that means that it is built to the same scale that the default MSTS routes are built to. The Talyllyn (above) is a x2 scale route and uses x2 scale rolling stock!
All of my rolling stock is truescale (uploaded under the "Bodgit & Scarper" guise).
Please note that "XTracks" is also need for the Piddington, just download the latest version (get the self installer one) and run the package.

Andrew.

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:40 pm

I would recommend the Welshpool-Llanfair, steep gradients, highly detailed+street running, what more do you want

Welshpool & Llanfair (WP-CC) Part 1 of 5 [10101746 bytes] - WLLR-WPtoCC_01.ZIP
File ID: 6684 Date: 12 Sep 2003 - 4087 Downloads

Welshpool & Llanfair (WP-CC) Part 2 of 5 [9755848 bytes] - WLLR-WPtoCC_02.ZIP
File ID: 6685 Date: 12 Sep 2003 - 3690 Downloads

Welshpool & Llanfair (WP-CC) Part 3 of 5 [9350829 bytes] - WLLR-WPtoCC_03.ZIP
File ID: 6686 Date: 12 Sep 2003 - 3697 Downloads

Welshpool & Llanfair (WP-CC) Part 4 of 5 [9459078 bytes] - WLLR-WPtoCC_04.ZIP
File ID: 6687 Date: 12 Sep 2003 - 4218 Downloads

Welshpool & Llanfair (WP-CC) Part 5 of 5 [8031184 bytes] - WLLR-WPtoCC_05.ZIP
File ID: 6688 Date: 12 Sep 2003 - 3669 Downloads

Plus the patch's...

WLLR Route Update [4726367 bytes] - WLLR_Route_Update.zip
File ID: 13150 Date: 06 Sep 2007 - 1793 Downloads

New WLLR ENG files [13315 bytes] - WLLR ENG FILES.zip
File ID: 12693 Date: 25 Jul 2005 - 738 Downloads

And stock...

WLLR [471109 bytes] - Earl.ZIP
File ID: 3918 Date: 01 Dec 2002 - 2173 Downloads

WLLR The Countess [588628 bytes] - Countess.ZIP
File ID: 6738 Date: 16 Sep 2003 - 1940 Downloads

Welshpool and Llanfair Stock Patch [681537 bytes] - WLLR Stock Patch.zip
File ID: 8527 Date: 18 Mar 2004 - 1235 Downloads

WLLR Wagons 1 [2901178 bytes] - WLLR Wagons 1.ZIP
File ID: 4000 Date: 08 Dec 2002 - 1894 Downloads

WLLR Wagons 2 [3634846 bytes] - WLLR Wagons 2.zip
File ID: 4076 Date: 16 Dec 2002 - 1867 Downloads

WLLR Coaching Stock [2366371 bytes] - WLLR Coaching Stock.ZIP
File ID: 7618 Date: 27 Dec 2003 - 1617 Downloads

And X-Tracks

Invalid File ID [11847]

RobertM

Earl1 · Post by **Earl1** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:45 pm

Go for the piddington, I've found that the W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using

RobertM · Post by **RobertM** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:47 pm

Earl1 wrote:Go for the piddington, I've found that the W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using

What part of it's inacurate???

RobertM

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:06 pm

W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using

Its very accurate, depicts the line as it used to be so is of course different to how it is today. Great Route and well worth it.

Chris

andrewtoplis · Post by **andrewtoplis** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:38 pm

okay I have pressed download for the Pidlington...now I need stock, right? Couple of engine recommends then please! (I am a complete newbie, please forgive the lame sounding posts!)

I will grab the Bodgit & Scarper wagons tomorrow, as they look really good.

Andy

davvydo · Post by **davvydo** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:14 pm

NG coaches, they are the green ones, very cute !
they have passenger views too !

Frsimplex1993 · Post by **Frsimplex1993** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:36 pm

Terry's wren's and stock, the Bodgit stuff and the Baugley Petrol Tractor.

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:45 pm

Earl1 wrote:I've found that the W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using

I too must defend Welshpool, its a fabulous route set in the old days and most entertaining to work. Compare it with old photos and its spot on. Plus there's excellent stock to go with it.

Gingerme · Post by **Gingerme** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:24 pm

W&L route is so inaccurate it isn't worth using

Sorry, but i also have to defend the welshpool and Llanfair. It is a great route to download and i would VERY strongly reccomend the download. Mainly because it uses non-default buildings etc, which make me wonder why the author hasn't made people pay for it!!

I have also compared the route to the route in books, and it is practically spot on! If you can point out a part which is not accurate, then i will be happy to hear it! I raise my hat to the author!

Regards

Earl1 · Post by **Earl1** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:40 pm

I have also compared the route to the route in books, and it is practically spot on! If you can point out a part which is not accurate, then i will be happy to hear it! I raise my hat to the author!

I trust that anyone who defends this route will listen to a voice from experience, as the major flaw i find is being confronted with New Drive a meer couple of hundred yards beyond Raven Square, instead of the 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile of a 1 in 30 climb.
I also Know that the section between Llanfair and Heniarth suffers the flaws of lacking large amounts of photographic coverage, only places like Mill Curves, Tanllan, and Heniarth itself have been covered in detail.
While books are accurate they cannot replace a working knowledge of the route, mine comes from a life's connection with the line, and as a trainee fireman.

I wish no offence to the creator of the route, but do find it hard to believe that it can be classed as highly accurate.

davidaward · Post by **davidaward** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:47 am

Earl1 wrote:
I have also compared the route to the route in books, and it is practically spot on! If you can point out a part which is not accurate, then i will be happy to hear it! I raise my hat to the author!
I trust that anyone who defends this route will listen to a voice from experience, as the major flaw i find is being confronted with New Drive a meer couple of hundred yards beyond Raven Square, instead of the 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile of a 1 in 30 climb.
I also Know that the section between Llanfair and Heniarth suffers the flaws of lacking large amounts of photographic coverage, only places like Mill Curves, Tanllan, and Heniarth itself have been covered in detail.
While books are accurate they cannot replace a working knowledge of the route, mine comes from a life's connection with the line, and as a trainee fireman.

I wish no offence to the creator of the route, but do find it hard to believe that it can be classed as highly accurate.

It is all to do with the limitations of the simulator itself. No route is 100% accurate, I can find errors on SVR, because I know it very well, having fired along it many times. I say hats off to the author of Welshpool, it is a very challenging project to create a route from scratch only having old photos and a much changed route as reference.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:36 pm

Earl1, it is a great tragedy of so many route building projects that authors struggle for months and sometimes years to produce a route only to be criticised when it's finished by people who know it well - the tragedy being that those people and the author never get in contact during the building process so that helpful information can be passed on.

You hear exactly the same thing at model railway shows - the public picking holes in an otherwise beautiful model because they know the area better.

I'm not criticising you, it's just a sad fact of life that these things happen - people aren't together at the right time.

However I am surprised at your comments as the route author took a long time to build the route. I believe he is a member of the WLLR preservation society and spent days and days on site and talking to other members (and IIRC had access to the society's records). The terrain was created from scanned old OS maps so I find it very hard to believe that there are errors of hundreds of yards in the placement of significant parts of the model. When you digitally recreate terrain in this way it's pretty much impossible to get spatial errors like that, as many route builders know.

If you could provide a screenshot of the area of the route that you say is at fault alongside a photo or map of the same location I'd be interested to see the comparison.

Martin