Crich Tramway Village

dkightley · Post by **dkightley** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:26 pm

I must admit to being bitterly disappointed and very angry that someone has uploaded a copy of Crich on to a filesharing website.

I have raised the issue with the UKTS moderation team (less myself, of course) for investigation...and I have complained to the owners of the filesharing site.

For clarity...the Crich route can only be downloaded fron UKTrainSim without breaching the copyright conditions as stated in the accompanying documentation files.

Should there be any more breaches of the copyright, then I will have to withdraw the route from availability. I have obligations to fulfill as well!

Doug

dkightley · Post by **dkightley** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:22 pm

I am glad to report that the unathorised upload on the filesharing site has been removed. The future availablilty of the route is now asured.

Doug

stephenholmes · Post by **stephenholmes** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:32 pm

Hi Doug
I am glad that you have managed to stop this misuse of your work etc.
Let's hope the person responsible for the outrage is brought to book.
It really would have been to everyones detriment if the route had been withdrawn.
Kind regards Stephen

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:21 pm

The moderator team have taken action and separately from this Doug has contacted the download site with a great reaction from them in pulling the file.

No further discussion is really required on the forums. The moderator team will take it from here. Public discussion will not aid the process but no criticism is implied to people posting here since the issue arose. Please let us deal with it.

Kindest regards

John

waysidor · Post by **waysidor** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:47 pm

and it was all going so well?

sadly only parts will load

after installing it i load the game and it comes up saying failed to open and somthing to do with the global / shapes

after clickeing yes to them ( theres lots) i get the route but part of the track is missing seniory

please help as i never knew this was a rout been worked on untill today and i am thrilled!

DAVID

dkightley · Post by **dkightley** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:06 pm

It'll be one of two things...

Firstly, have you got XTracks loaded?

Secondly, have you run the Installme.bat (with the default routes in place)?

Doug

BrianB · Post by **BrianB** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:42 pm

Hello Doug,

Here's something coming from an Aussie!!!

I visited Crich once - waaaaaaay back in 1982 and was more than impressed with the work in preserving Britain's Tramway heritage.

I downloaded the route yesterday, and was very pleasantly surprised just how realistic the Route is - it is instantly recognizable as Crich, and has brought back a number of pleasant memories of my enjoyable day there!!!

Thanks for all the effort in bringing this to MSTS - it will enable me to re-live some of those memories!!!

Regards, Brian Bere-Streeter

rhantusch · Post by **rhantusch** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:04 am

Re failing to load shapes.

I had this problem at first too (missing a 5 m curved track section in a number of locations) caused by the fact that my X tracks installation was an old one. It needs an up to date X tracks for the route to work properly.

Its an excellent route.

RAH

dkightley · Post by **dkightley** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:18 pm

Looks as if I need to work out which version of XTracks I laid the track with. T'was summer 2005 when I did it....

waysidor · Post by **waysidor** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:09 pm

IT WORKS IT WAS THE X TRACKS THAT NEEDED TO BE INSTALLED!

A great route but i have a question whats with the tracks near the road bridge before the car park stop? they overlap the other side? Why have CRICH done this and not put a set of points there?

good route and its...... 10/10

bdy26 · Post by **bdy26** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:27 pm

I'm not sure if it has always been like that - my memory before 1985 is a bit hazy as I was only a nipper. It would have been used to get 2 lines in a gap only big enough for one under a bridge or through a narrow street. Not sure whether the gap under the bridge warrants it, or whether it is there to demonstrate tramway practice.

waysidor · Post by **waysidor** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:55 pm

yer but why didnt they just use points or was it to expenive?

dkightley · Post by **dkightley** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:18 pm

I believe it was standard practise to interleave tracks where roads narrowed. To use points would have meant the trams having tp stop for the conductor to get out and go and check the points, and if necessary, to change the points with a long steel pole.

I'm sure that the interleaving at Crich is there just to demonstrate what normal practise was.

Doug

ashgray · Post by **ashgray** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:34 pm

Hi Doug

Just discovered the Crich route out of the blue this evening and have been running it for the past 1 1/2 hours... Wow! What a superb tramline and an incredible level of detail! Well done

Are there more updates to follow?

Cheers
Ashley

BrianB · Post by **BrianB** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:01 pm

dkightley wrote:I believe it was standard practise to interleave tracks where roads narrowed. To use points would have meant the trams having tp stop for the conductor to get out and go and check the points, and if necessary, to change the points with a long steel pole.

I'm sure that the interleaving at Crich is there just to demonstrate what normal practise was.

Doug

This technique was also known as 'gauntleting' - and sometimes used on main line railways - for example in NSW the original main line to the Illawarra passed over a narrow single line bridge at Como - when the line was doubled the track was 'gauntleted' across the bridge, and the signaling fully interlocked so that head-on collisions were avoided.

Then just before WW2, the famous Hawkesbury River Bridge was found to have severe cracking in one of the stone piers, and it was decided to build a new bridge (opened in 1946). While the new bridge was constructed a few hundred metres upstream, the original bridge had severe speed restrictions placed on it, and the track was 'gauntleted' to re-direct the stresses to alleviate the pressure on the cracked pier.

BrianB