Firstly..... Terry you're a little beauty!!!! You've made my day. Not only is the Terry's Trains Logo back on the download page but with a S&DJR loco AND, for those who read my recent post on Paul's Brittania, a veritable gaggle of Standard Class 5's and they're weathered! A nice little shunter too.
Outstanding!
Whilst I've been joining in the fun on the Kuju forum it's stuff like this that means I'll not be ditching MSTS.
New sims, whatever those involved with the development may say, are all Vapourware until they're in our grubby little hands.
The one good bit of news over on that forum is Ange's announcement that Kuju intend to make the whole shebang open code just as MSTS was. It's in the thread called compatibility???
In the mean time I'm off to download this great new collection.
Many thanx for downloading the BR Standard 5 can now make up some rakes to run Southern Railway from Blue Arrows Can remember them On Bournemouth Trains in the Sixties and freights to and from Feltham.
Can't remember if they were used to and from Brighton to Southampton and Bournemouth though
lateagain wrote:
New sims, whatever those involved with the development may say, are all Vapourware until they're in our grubby little hands.
And just maybe, with this sort of attitude, the developers just won't bother and then you will get your vapourware. Sometimes I really wonder why we bother...
And on a brighter note (I'm sure he's trying to be funny Dale) WOW! what a week! I'm in kettle heaven! Loads and loads of top quality kettles, and a new sim on the way. Many thanks to Terry for these three beauties.
Jim
lateagain wrote:
New sims, whatever those involved with the development may say, are all Vapourware until they're in our grubby little hands.
And just maybe, with this sort of attitude, the developers just won't bother and then you will get your vapourware. Sometimes I really wonder why we bother...
Dale,
This post was to thank Terry for uploading some BR Standards. Not to start a pointless argument about development.
You seem to confuse attitude with fact.
Read the statement again and tell me where I got the facts wrong?
The developers will "bother" because there's a market for a product. They know that fans like the members of this forum will look with interest at their output. When they produce some information, screengrabs, specifications etc. on their product we'll be all ears.
My point, that you seem to have totally missed, is that Terry, who has been producing excellent free and payware models for the community has released these models for the benefit of the community now. Not announced an intention to release them in the future.
lateagain wrote:My point, that you seem to have totally missed, is that Terry, who has been producing excellent free and payware models for the community has released these models for the benefit of the community now. Not announced an intention to release them in the future.
Vapourware is a VERY immotive term as you know Geoff. Was looking for a thread to comment on these uploads and surprised to see the word vapourware in the same headline. Bound to be some raw nerves around ATM. Sure you meant no harm though ... simply excited
An idiot can make a loco but to make loco's like these takes a lot more.
Thanks, Terry.
It's not only more welcome news this week, it's a 'shot in the arm' for MSTS at a difficult time and very much appreciated
lateagain wrote:
New sims, whatever those involved with the development may say, are all Vapourware until they're in our grubby little hands.
And just maybe, with this sort of attitude, the developers just won't bother and then you will get your vapourware. Sometimes I really wonder why we bother...
Dale,
This post was to thank Terry for uploading some BR Standards. Not to start a pointless argument about development.
You seem to confuse attitude with fact.
Read the statement again and tell me where I got the facts wrong?
The developers will "bother" because there's a market for a product. They know that fans like the members of this forum will look with interest at their output. When they produce some information, screengrabs, specifications etc. on their product we'll be all ears.
My point, that you seem to have totally missed, is that Terry, who has been producing excellent free and payware models for the community has released these models for the benefit of the community now. Not announced an intention to release them in the future.
Geoff.
I am not denying that Terry has yet again produced some excellent work and released it without prior notification. It was purely in response to the vapourware comment. Whilst you may not have your 'grubby hands' on it, it does not mean that everything announced is vapourware. My point is that developers and people involved, who are and have been doing one hell of a lot of work during what should be their free time, may decide that it is not worth the effort to continue when something can be so easily dismissed as vapourware. Vapourware was coined as a term for something that doesn't exsist, not something that is actually in the process of being finalised....
The reality is, for most of the community, that there is absolutely no difference. Until the product is delivered.
Not just in software development, but in the vast majority of human endeavour, little praise is given for effort that does not result in success. I totally agree with you that this is demoralising, unrewarding and short sighted. All human endeavour SHOULD add to our learning and experience. Sadly that is rarely the case.
I am totally amazed at the time that many contributors to the sim must spend on producing models and routes for the sim. I think you'll find if you care to check back through my posts that I have frequently voiced my thanks and admiration for these efforts.
The reality is that their are many people trapped in soul destroying employment because they have to earn money. At least, and this is in no way to denegrate their efforts or achievment, the people working on the sim are doing something that gives them satisfaction and the reward of any creative endeavour.
My comments were based on points raised in the new Kuju forum. A number of people have commented that the proposed new sims and the enthusiasm that a mere announcement has bought, might detract from devlopment for the sim that we actually have.
Terry's uploads were a refreshing reminder of what is still being achieved by the efforts of many for what we actually have.
Until we are ALL (not just a select few) looking at some hard facts, about specifications, compatibility and access to code for both freeware and 3rd party commercial developers these projects are "Pie in the Sky", however much work a few may have put into them.
I'm not so naive as to not appreciate that there are issues of commercial secrecy involved here, but after the fiasco of MSTS2 you'd have to be naive to not expect some cynicism from your customer base.
The signs are that some of these concerns are being addressed? Auran's stance on things is bound to cause concern and make people sceptical.
In short Dale, I think you're being rather over sensitive.
Pat's on the back come only for a result in our society. Not for just taking part. Strangely enough though I'm one who does appreciate others efforts, result or not.
johndibben wrote:Terry's uploaded some damn good loco's. Lack of feedback is a common complaint.
Let's allow some, shall we?
Here Here.
I really like Terry's models for his eye for detail and finesse...that other builders don't always manage to capture.
Got the Southern on order....and looking forwards to his locos(N15 ?) very much.
Cheers
Jon
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