Corris 7 steams!

trainmad · Post by **trainmad** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:35 pm

Hey, just seen this on the TR website, congratulating the Corris

http://www.corris.co.uk/video/real/tattoovideo.htm

Great news, must pay a return visit soon now.

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:59 pm

That really is good news

and such an achievment for a small concern like the corris, i've been looking forward to this

its good to see the loco in original corris guise too

as much as i like Edward Thomas on the Tallylyn its not quite the same with its newer additions.

BruceB · Post by **BruceB** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:54 pm

wookey wrote: its good to see the loco in original corris guise too as much as i like Edward Thomas on the Tallylyn its not quite the same with its newer additions.

Interesting comment as No.7 seems to be a replica of No.4 in its current condition rather than original condition

See here for No.4 as it is at the moment

The only difference I can see is the air pump is on the other side, addational frames on No.4 and minor modifications to the cab.

No.7 is not original as the cab should have the left side plated up and no buffers for starters

I always thought building a replica of No.4 was an odd choice as a) there was only ever 1 No.4 and its still with us and b) Corris Numbers 1 and 2 are no longer with us - why not build replicas of them?

Having said that it does look like a fine machine - one wish the Corris the very best and lets hope they can extend their line to make it a more worthwhile run.

Cheers,
Bruce

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:40 pm

I guess they've built a replica of Number 4, as its still with us ( easier to research ), and is far more powerful than the original corris locos.

David

trainmad · Post by **trainmad** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:51 pm

How can it be a replica anyway? Surely it's a new build, as the orignal is still with us?

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:17 pm

Lol, i know what number 4 looks like lol

although i'll admit i've only seen it once in the 'flesh' since it was last 'peter sam'

i know its not completely original'esque so to speak, but the lack of running boards, i thought, makes it much more like the original, obviously the buffers are modern looking but then there was never any chance of putting those strange corris couplers on was there.
I wasnt aware of the plated up cab mind,... but i do seem to recall No 4 had a large round hole in the back plate of the cab in corris days?
:edit: ooops the new loco does have that too

lol

hmm, i don't think it was so much to do with research myself David, after all No's 1 and 2 were similar to No 3 in its early years, and thats still with us...
i think its probably more likely to be due to your second reasoning, being a more powerful and modern machine. hey i dont mind anyway, No 4 has always been my favourite in the Tallyllyn fleet

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:23 pm

Actually its a shame we dont know more about the people who started the project, i suppose they are the only ones who can really answer questions about the philosophy of the build.

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:04 pm

Its a mix between Corris and TR days,

The cab is Talyllyn, without the plating on the one side, although this is probably more to do with an H and S issue. The round hole in the back is an original Corris feature, not carried on Talyllyn 4, which has a square hole with doors.

The frames are how it was in Corris days, with nothing below the tanks, unlike TR 4 which has (almost totally pointless) running boards.

The buffers are another H and S addition methinks, no central couplings, however the buffer beams are more like Corris Days. Much bigger than TR4's.

The air brake pump is on the other side, although in Corris Days power brakes had the compressor stuff mounted in the cab, hence the plating on one side. (Certainly on Corris 3, not sure about 4).

The cab spectacle frames are different to Talyllyn 4, not sure if they are based on the original Corris size frames?

Methinks the injector is also a bit different, certainly the clacks look different on Corris 7, I cant make out the gate valves on them, although this might be because they arnt fitted up yet.

As for the differences between Talyllyn NO.3 and the original Corris 1-3, well, its a totally new cab, different brake gear, different running boards also methinks. Not sure about other differences without looking at photos.

I imagine a simple reason for replicating Corris 4 in the new build, as opposed to Corris 1-3, was that No.4 steams a lot better than 3, is far easier to work on, is a lot simpler, and has more information avaliable on it, being a newer engine. Stanhope, is a very similar machine, so info can be derived from that aswell. Further to that, TR 4 is closer to the original Corris 4 than No.3 is to how she was build, more of the original to work from in effect.

Chris

Thats all I can see different for now...

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:55 pm

hehe, yea that seems about right, as you say number 3 has changed completely, i was looking at an old book the other night and its actually very different looking in its earlier years, a little more... olde world, shame to have lost that in a way,.. but the tallyllyn is the only reason we have to thank for 3+4's survival at all, so i'm not complaining

i do quite like how number 7 looks though

chris, am i right in thinking stanhope is outside framed?

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:46 pm

Eeeer....

Doesnt look that way....

No.3 has been totally changed, the new cab being the most obvious feature although its had a lot of other work done on it aswell.

Chris

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:54 pm

i thought wheels inside the frames made it 'outside framed'?
lol, apologies if i've mixed up my terminology

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:31 pm

Eeer, could well be me not looking properly at the photo... oops.

Chris

dcduncan · Post by **dcduncan** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:51 am

Chris, that is bad news having a "senior moment" so early in life can only be a bad sign

David

wookey · Post by **wookey** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:23 am

hehe, poor chris, it's inhaling all that traction engine smoke, its getting to him

don't worry m8, we'll conclude that Stanhope actually has red pointy wheels and leave it at that

pitleyfalley · Post by **pitleyfalley** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:58 pm

Never mind, you see we dont have these problems with traction engines... wheel on each corner, or in the case od steam rollers, 2 at the back and one long one in the middle at the front and no frames at all.

As for a senior moment, im am a full 20 years old this year, which almost qualifies me as a lecherous old sod doesnt it? .... please.... :p

Chris