Class 92 cabview

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:58 am

Hi everyone, I was asking if anyone has a cab photos of a class 92 because i am planning on making one for msts. I did take some photos of one last week but my SLR camera jammed up rewinding the film and i lost all the pics

. Then i got rather angry and threw it across the room

. So i am without a camera now for a month until pay-day hehe

. So i was asking you guy's (and gals) if you have any cab photo's of the class 92 or do you know any websites of where i can i get any from for this project ? If i use any web photo's of the class 92 cab it will be for reference only and not for conversion as TGA as i will draw the cab by hand if i have to

. But i will be very grateful if anyone could help me with the photo's of the class 92

. Also if anyone wants to help me with this project you are welcome to join me

. Just drop me a PM or an e-mail and we can go from there

.

cheers

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:16 am

Please can someone help me with the photo's. I have ask this before but no-one replys

. I really need help with the photo's

. If you like to chat to me about this i can give you my e-mail address if you PM me

. But i won't post it here as i hate spammers :2gunfire:.

cheers

LucaZone · Post by **LucaZone** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:22 am

Id be quite interested too actually........

I'l let you know if I hear anything Ash

petermakosch · Post by **petermakosch** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:36 am

Arnt they the Electric equivilant of a Class 60?
Therefore the Cabs should be similar?

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:35 am

92 cabs are extremely complicated as they have cab signalling and fittings for 3 different railway systems.
Took me 10min to turn the lights on.

LucaZone · Post by **LucaZone** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:59 am

Do you operate these then? in real life?

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:57 pm

LucaZone wrote:Do you operate these then? in real life?

Yes mate. I drove 92031 last week in service and i did get some cab photos but now i have no camera hehe due to me throwing a wobbly because it jammed when rewinding the film which had the class 92 photo's on there

and i don't have another camera for back up either

. So that's why i was asking if anyone has any cab photos of the class 92

.

cheers

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:13 pm

petermakosch wrote:Arnt they the Electric equivilant of a Class 60?
Therefore the Cabs should be similar?

The class 92's are much more complex than the class 60

. Because they have more controls and don't forget these locos have 3 types of signalling and they are AWS (uk), KVB and TVM (france). Also they have 4 types of power supply to operate from. They are 25kv AC (overhead cables), 750DC (third rail), 1.5kv DC (overhead cables in france) and 3kv DC (overhead cables in france)

. As where's a class 60 is a diesel so its much more easier to operate than a class 92

. But once you are famillier with the controls of a class 92 they are fairly easy to drive

. But just don't raise the DC pantograph on the AC cable or you fry its guts out

. (Logical joke)

.

cheers

petermakosch · Post by **petermakosch** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:58 pm

Why do they have all those different types?
What, is the UK now taking into account possible selling abroad features?!
Pete

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:44 pm

petermakosch wrote:Why do they have all those different types?
What, is the UK now taking into account possible selling abroad features?!
Pete

The reason why these class 92 have 3 types of signalling is because they are essential for international freight work. Because don't forget that france has 2 signalling types, TVM and KVB

. The TVM signalling is used on the High Speed Lines in france and this signalling is also used in the Channel Tunnel too as it will be used on the CTRL when it is up and running

. The maximum speed limit for the TVM signalling is limited to 300kph (186mph)

. As for the KVB signalling is used on the Local Routes or "Reseau" Lines of which the maximum speed limit is 100mph (160kph) in france too

. Also the UK (Our Homeland) has the native AWS Signalling too. This is why the class 92's were designed to cope with 3 signalling types when ordered back in 1993

. Most of the class 92's are parked up at crewe but they are mostly EPS's class 92's but soon some of our class 92's are soon going into store as well so i heard

. I hope i have helped or answered your questions on the signalling for these class 92's

. If you have anymore questions about these locos. Please feel free to fire away

cheers

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:49 am

I thought it would be more logical to keep them at Dollands Moor or Hither Green rather than Crewe. Seen loads at Dollands Moor before.

Might sound stupid, but are they passed to run on the CTRL at all?

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:26 am

I have not yet heard anything about them running on the CTRL

. But their signalling is fully compatible with that used on the CTRL as it has TVM signalling

. But i would not be too suprised if they do test these on the line sooner or later. But running them in service on CTRL seems very unlikely as the CTRL is mostly focused of passenger duties like the Eurostar

. Infact TGV's are not even permitted to run in Channel Tunnel because they cannot be seperated in the center in an emergency as whera's a Eurostar can be segergated if need be

. BTW Most of the class 92's that are at crewe belong to EPS not EWS. So try not to get too confused by the 2 operators

. We do have some class 92's based at Dollands Moor but we about 5 of them here in Birmingham just doing local freight duties until next month or so when EWS decides to withdraw and store the latter of the class 92 fleet next month or so

. But i hope not as i do like the class 92's and i think they are smartest modern looking loco's in the UK and they are also the most expensive loco's in Britain too at Â£3.000.000 each when new back in 1994/1995

. If ews sell them on then i think freightliner or SNCF are in for a bargin

.As ews are bound to flog them off at a loss for a quick buck

. Hehe if i had the cash myself i would preserve one myself but running it on a preserved line would be a bit of a challenge as very few (if any) have overhead cables

.

cheers

petermakosch · Post by **petermakosch** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:27 am

do they sound nice?
lol, i mean, like, i dont really hear electric loco's round my way, and what about the horn? Big and Blasty or (like a 158's) small and straining?

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:23 am

I've seen plenty of 92's going through Ashford and they're like any Electric loco, haven't heard then sound thier horns, I would imagine they are big and blasty.

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:39 am

The class 92's horn can be very loud or basic depending on how far you move the stick as on the class 92's the loudness of the horn is controlled by the lever

. Push the lever away from you to get the high tone and pull it towards you to get the low tone

. Well depending on how far you move the lever

. If you only move the horn lever a little bit then it will be just a "pulse" horn though this may sound loud to a passenger but its not the loudest pitch if you get my meaning

. But when i pass through stations i usually to a 3 tone horn by push the stick forwards, then pulling it back, then forwards

. So the horn goes like this - high,low and then high again

. Some of the ews drivers only do the High and Low tones when approaching level crossings and stations

. But i like to make myself heard hehe

.

cheers

Yuri
(On Break and using my bosses PC

)