HST and Inter City 225 formations

[geoffholt]

Hi, does anyone know where I can look up the formation set numbers used on HST’s and Inter City 225’s from 2010 to 2018 for all franchises. Thanks Fred

[ahunter1984]

HST's and Class 91's/MkIV's were fixed formations. Formations would only change if a carriage had to be taken out for maintenance or a power car swap took place.

Class 91:

Loco-TSOE-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-RSB-TF-TF-TF-DVT

HST:

PC-TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-TF-TF-PC

[749006]

HST's and Class 91's/MkIV's were fixed formations. Formations would only change if a carriage had to be taken out for maintenance or a power car swap took place.

Class 91:

Loco-TSOE-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-RSB-TF-TF-TF-DVT

HST:

PC-TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-TF-TF-PC

I don't remember any formations that use 3 First Class Vehicles apart from a few on the ECML

The 91+ Mk4 should be as above but with only two TF

The HST sets were either 2+7 (2 Power Cars and 7 coaches) or 2+8

The 2+8 were Power Car TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-TF-Power Car
2+7 was used on Cross Country services with Power Car TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-Power Car

The TRFK was sometimes a TRSB (Second Buffet) depending on the route used

This post on a modelling forum has some good pictures of the real trains
https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/F ... 6&start=60

This also has information on HST train formations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCity_125

[ahunter1984]

HST's and Class 91's/MkIV's were fixed formations. Formations would only change if a carriage had to be taken out for maintenance or a power car swap took place.

Class 91:

Loco-TSOE-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-RSB-TF-TF-TF-DVT

HST:

PC-TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-TF-TF-PC

I don't remember any formations that use 3 First Class Vehicles apart from a few on the ECML

The 91+ Mk4 should be as above but with only two TF

The HST sets were either 2+7 (2 Power Cars and 7 coaches) or 2+8

The 2+8 were Power Car TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-TF-Power Car
2+7 was used on Cross Country services with Power Car TGS-TS-TS-TS-TS-TRFB-TF-Power Car

The TRFK was sometimes a TRSB (Second Buffet) depending on the route used

This post on a modelling forum has some good pictures of the real trains
https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/F ... 6&start=60

This also has information on HST train formations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCity_125

He asked for formations between 2010 and 2018. Between those periods, both HST's and 91's were in 2+9 formations on the ECML.

[SkylineBoy]

91 mk4 always had three first class trailers (or at least with an rfo) from new in a 2+9 formation and certainly from post gner days that the op is about.

HST was made 2+9 during the gner mallard refurb but still only 2 first class trailers because an extra standard was added.

[geoffholt]

Thanks to all for replies does anyone know where I can look up the individual carriage and set numbers? Thanks Fred

[gptech]

This doesn't give any formation numbers, but is quite an interesting read....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... IeU_szCNvp

[holzroller]

Even in BR days the Aberdeen HST's were often strengthened to 2 + 9 in the summer. Iv'e even seen sets with two TGS next to each other. There was also the executive saloon that would appear once in a while

[AndyUK]

Thanks to all for replies does anyone know where I can look up the individual carriage and set numbers? Thanks Fred

The only online resource I know of was the now defunct AbRail site which died sometime last year I believe. However you can still find some snapshots of it via: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://abrail.co.uk/, probably enough for what you need anyway.

Failing that the only other resource I'm aware of are the Platform 5 Coaching Stock Pocket Books, and of course their combined volumes.

Andy L