At Last GWR 2800 2-8-0

[ronhessar40]

Surely, if I was (theoretically) paying $30 or $40 for a locomotive pack I would expect things to have undergone scrutiny.

Who scrutinises the scrutineers?

Age old argument, and if you look close enough you'll find a fault with EVERY asset available for this game.

It's a matter of how many people are out there to present the creators with "gotchas" to their released payware. Clearly the 28xx creator finds themself in a less-than-ideal position; with an issue among customers that might have been sorted out or even avoided with a little Flickr-digging.

I think AP is pretty close in terms of accuracy in general, but some things can still be nitpicked i.e. the wrong in-cab AWS equipment (electropneumatic valve and relay valves) and wrong AWS warning horn type/sound for vac braked locos (class 37, class 40 packs - vac braked should sound like a DMU's aws horn). Class 37 pack vol 2 has the hi and low horns flipped opposite in the cab horn lever control.

But really these are minor things that wouldn't hold me back from buying. Missing flanges? A misshapen boiler (not referring to this 28xx)? These are quite noticeable things and should be a red flag to the creator in theory. But in practice, if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is it worth the man-hours for something that won't hold a large number of people back?

[gptech]

Missing flanges? A misshapen boiler (not referring to this 28xx)? These are quite noticeable things

Once again, the flanges aren't/weren't missing, but more "not apparent", and whilst that stands out if you go looking for them it isn't something that jumps out to most people. It's interesting, maybe even telling, that you've picked some really obscure faults in AP products--should I assume you haven't noticed the more obvious lack of passengers in the latest coaches?

The second argument started, because I asked why Kris closed its Discord Server

OK, I'll concede that point, but was there any need to give an appraisal of his psychological state? are you qualified in that field? Surely once being told why it needed no further discussion.

[ronhessar40]

Once again, the flanges aren't/weren't missing, but more "not apparent", and whilst that stands out if you go looking for them it isn't something that jumps out to most people. It's interesting, maybe even telling, that you've picked some really obscure faults in AP products--should I assume you haven't noticed the more obvious lack of passengers in the latest coaches?

No idea. I picked those out because I set on a mission to determine the appropriate AWS equipment for the 1960s state of cab for content I’m modeling. The big idea is to create as stark a difference from modern operation of a locomotive from the 1960s operation (my preferred). Whether via sounds or visuals. I might even have to dive as deep as purchasing a vintage 1960s fire extinguishers that are markedly different from the red Chubbs found today, just for the sake of modeling it in the cab for accuracy. But even I’ve got my limits. ;D

The last TS I own is 17 and the AP 40 (stellar for its time) is the last pack I bought. I don’t have the money, diskspace and hence hardware, and most importantly the time to run these games sadly. But I do like modeling and being an absolute b***h about details that nobody cares about - that is quite my niche.

As for the horn it was after a lengthy “case study” that determined nearly every UK loco built 1950-1965 had the same two-tone desilux horns - the 37 vol 2’s high tone is really the squeaky high pitch version of the low tone so it should sound off when the low note is triggered for consistency, think like D821 greyhound (again, nitpicky).

Sure the flange is fine when lined up along the existing stock. Nobody would notice if I gave a Stanier PIII coach an elongated GWR Macaw B chassis. And that’s fine; if it caters to the vast majority why waste precious dev time on it? My previous point exactly. Nobody likes a rivet counter.

As for the AP passengers, I have no idea but wouldn’t it be possible to add passengers via attachment points? Sorry no idea about importing stuff into TS myself.

[theorganist]

The lack of passengers in AP products is intentional! It would have been good though if he had done versions with and without passengers.

Seeing ECS in sidings full of passengers could be more jarring than not having them in service trains especially if you are driving from the cab.

Peter

[theorganist]

Back on topic, I have been looking forward to the 28xx for years and it looks very good to me so will be purchasing as soon as possible.

Peter

[rkk01]

Any idea how all that ^^ reads...

BONKERS...!

Anyway, the 2800...

Another frustrating drive with V1b last night. Just could not get the train above 0.2-0.3 mph.

Yes, there is a tender handbrake - it was off, but frustratingly this is only a keyboard command (?). There doesn’t appear to be a mouse able tooltip zone over the brake wheel. Vac brakes were released using J - the ejector is another keyboard only command AFAICS.

Reducing the load from 45 to 40 made a big difference. Was able to get going, but struggled to keep going, especially with falling boiler pressure on Lanvihangel... terminology used for the dampers is odd ie “on / off” rather than the usual “open / close”. To me (wood burner user...!) if the damper is on, then the fire is closed up - as opposed to the air being “on”, ie damper open...
(Version 1a romped up Lanvihangel with 45 on - the only obvious difference was use of the WD tender)

Manual is also silent on the use of live / exhaust injectors and flow control - I suspect live steam only??? The exhaust injector has a mouseable tooltip, but doesn’t appear to do anything

Staying with water, the 3500 gal tender didn’t drop by as much as a spoonful all the way to Hereford - odd... until I checked the f5 display which showed over 4250 gal and was dropping with usage

So - brakes, water, load / drag... does the 2800 have a problem with the 3500 gal tender model???

The manual would also benefit from a thorough run through...

All meant as constructive points - I like the model and from the fB post I appreciate some apparent difficulties. Version 1a + WD tender performed well, Version 1b + Churchward tender is somewhat confusing (could be my driving)

All minor stuff that can hopefully be looked at and fixed

[749006]

Like every model someone will spot things others don't.
The problem then is having seen it it is difficult to not see it when you look at the model.

Like the Tail lamps on the AP Mk2 coaches - the bracket should be at an angle to the coach end instead of parallel - the Tail Lamp is not pointing down the line but off at an angle
And because I used to work that stock as a Guard it stands out to me - most people may not have noticed - or even bother.

It depends on what you call acceptable or if it's an noticeable fault - like the Buckeye on the 89

Peter

[locomotiveman1994]

OK, I'll concede that point, but was there any need to give an appraisal of his psychological state? are you qualified in that field? Surely once being told why it needed no further discussion.

What are you referring to this time? I never said anything about Kris' mental health in the slightest! More so, I feel like you are attacking me for whatever reason?!?

[RolandBP]

I bought the GWR wagon pack as well as the 2800 and finally had a try at the Wycombe Valley line.
While I had no trouble running the loco, I could not get the headlights to show up, just the taillight on the brakevan.
Then as a train ran past me the whole scene went Psychedelic, I could not see any scenery at all, just moving coloured shapes, it eventually restored to normality.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Oh before the scenario started I got a list of missing items mentioned, "Mtw GWR Collet HWBE Corr" 4 similar coach items {I noticed that yesterday so I purchased the 2 Collet coach packs from Steam}
2 other items were mentioned as missing which were AFAIC Make Out were: "Croc H boiler Rust"
I could not find any mention of them as an issue when checking the scenario via "RW_Tools".
I managed to start the scenario by pressing "F2" and "cancel".
Any help appreciated, Thanks, Roland.

[AllYourKitty]

2 other items were mentioned as missing which were AFAIC Make Out were: "Croc H boiler Rust"
I could not find any mention of them as an issue when checking the scenario via "RW_Tools".
I managed to start the scenario by pressing "F2" and "cancel".
Any help appreciated, Thanks, Roland.

The "Croc H boiler Rust" is from Victory Works GWR 72xx expansion pack for the 42xx Class. It's one of the freight wagons that come with the loco, a Croc H with a rusty boiler as a load.

[RolandBP]

2 other items were mentioned as missing which were AFAIC Make Out were: "Croc H boiler Rust"
I could not find any mention of them as an issue when checking the scenario via "RW_Tools".
I managed to start the scenario by pressing "F2" and "cancel".
Any help appreciated, Thanks, Roland.

The "Croc H boiler Rust" is from Victory Works GWR 72xx expansion pack for the 42xx Class. It's one of the freight wagons that come with the loco, a Croc H with a rusty boiler as a load.

Hi Thanks, I have reinstalled both the 4200 and the 7200, so now all I am getting are a variety of Mts Collet coaches, maybe they belong to some from SSS?

[marcusboon]

2 other items were mentioned as missing which were AFAIC Make Out were: "Croc H boiler Rust"
I could not find any mention of them as an issue when checking the scenario via "RW_Tools".
I managed to start the scenario by pressing "F2" and "cancel".
Any help appreciated, Thanks, Roland.

The "Croc H boiler Rust" is from Victory Works GWR 72xx expansion pack for the 42xx Class. It's one of the freight wagons that come with the loco, a Croc H with a rusty boiler as a load.

Hi Thanks, I have reinstalled both the 4200 and the 7200, so now all I am getting are a variety of Mts Collet coaches, maybe they belong to some from SSS?

I think you need one (or more) of the three Matrix 'High Waisted' (HWBE is the clue) early Collett coaches packs: TS Marketplace GWR HighWaist Collett Coaches Pack 01, 02, 03.

Marcus

[RolandBP]

The "Croc H boiler Rust" is from Victory Works GWR 72xx expansion pack for the 42xx Class. It's one of the freight wagons that come with the loco, a Croc H with a rusty boiler as a load.

Hi Thanks, I have reinstalled both the 4200 and the 7200, so now all I am getting are a variety of Mts Collet coaches, maybe they belong to some from SSS?

I think you need one (or more) of the three Matrix 'High Waisted' (HWBE is the clue) early Collett coaches packs: TS Marketplace GWR HighWaist Collett Coaches Pack 01, 02, 03.

Marcus

Hi Marcus,
Many thanks, I just made the purchase of those 3 Matrix coach packs, installed them and now the scenario runs perfectly.