Drivable DBSO?

[749006]

I was looking at the DBSO that comes from AP and I know you can drive it with the 421 Cab and I wondered if there was an alternative Cab.

And then playing a different scenario using the Gatwick Express stock and a Class 33/1 which was driveable from the GLV
There is something in the way the GLV works that allows it to control the loco - almost any loco.
A Test run with the GLV, 4 Mk1 coaches and a Class 37 worked, same with a 47 - I did not try any others

Would it be possible to use the DBSO with the GLV Cab - which is wrong but no more than the 421 cab previously used

Peter

[gptech]

Would it be possible to use the DBSO with the GLV Cab

Yes, you'd just need to use the GLV cab .GeoPcdx and most likely the controls and scripting from it. I think I looked at this, and the GLV cab doesn't sit right within the DBSO so looks lousy. I dare say a bit of work juggling the position/scaling of the cab would get it a bit better, but that'd possibly need the .Geo copying and editing---not an ideal arrangement.

which is wrong but no more than the 421 cab previously used

A case of 2 wrongs making a right?
If it's wrong, it's wrong and aren't you one who demands realism?

Wee digs aside, the rest of your post confuses me...

using the Gatwick Express stock and a Class 33/1 which was driveable from the GLV
There is something in the way the GLV works that allows it to control the loco - almost any loco.

Are you saying your installation of the DBSO doesn't allow you to do the same with it? If so, you need a different DBSO....

https://youtu.be/3JQ-Z4YB_ZI

[749006]

I wasn't explaining my idea very well. As usual

What I don't like about the current version is the 421 cab sits inside the DBSO so the windows don't line up very well.
And the idea would be from the outside it is a DBSO but from the inside it's a GLV so you did not see bit's of the DBSO Windows from the inside

Like the SNCF 67400 loco that used the Kuju 47 cab for one of it's versions
Outside it was a French loco and inside it was a 47 Cab with modified textures - which I'm not suggesting for the GLV

Does that make more sense?

[gptech]

Does that make more sense?

Not really...I'm aware of the issue with how the 2 models *fit* and the view isn't perfect, but the thing that got me was the implication that the "421 cab enabled DBSO" doesn't allow control of a loco at the other end of a consist. By using the cab and physics/controls for the 421 you're effectively making the DBSO a 421 with a different body, so as the 421 relies on some other vehicle in the consist to provide the 'oomph' by default it controls any prime mover attached to that consist.
If your's doesn't pass commands on to a loco then that's of more need of looking at than the cab view; the cab view is what it is (so far anyway, nobody's yet tried manipulating the model positioning/scaling (or at least not reported any success or failure at it in here) but the controlling of a loco is pretty fundamental to how the default 421 model works.

[chrisonline]

This has actually been done in the past few months by SS Scenarios. Download v1.4 from the following:
https://sscenarios.weebly.com/dbso-download.html

The "double skin" of the GLV and outside DBSO windows has been fixed, though techincally it is wrong as the interior is a full-width open cab, not squeezed in with the corridor alongisde. Can't have it all ways

The dev also had help addressing the physics and some other issues, and it works pretty well, though acceleration can be a bit rapid with some locos at the other end of the train.

There is one minor glitch that no one seems to have resolved - a mystery pin-point light source under the center of the DBSO undercarriage!

Not perfect, but pretty good and worth checking out.

There is also a driveable 4TC unit in NSE and BR Blue/Grey on the same site, but I haven't tested that yet

Chris

[gptech]

Thanks for that Chris; it's rather nice.

[749006]

The "double skin" of the GLV and outside DBSO windows has been fixed, though techincally it is wrong as the interior is a full-width open cab, not squeezed in with the corridor alongisde. Can't have it all ways

Although some of the DBSO Cabs had the Gangway later mods saw the Gangway removed and it created a full width cab
So it is correct for some of the variants.

I will check it out - thanks

Peter

[749006]

Tried it but it does not work for me

The DRS version - I had the BHReskins installed first - - will not accept a driver Icon
Neither will, the ICS, ONE, Network Rail versions

I know the GLV is required so I placed one on an adjacent track and that works ok

[gptech]

For starters the revised pack doesn't include the ONE livery.

Did you have the DTG/Class73Pack01 Provider/Product pair enabled when you were trying to add a driver icon?

[chrisonline]

Tried it but it does not work for me. The DRS version - I had the BHReskins installed first - - will not accept a driver Icon
Neither will, the ICS, ONE, Network Rail versionsk

Not sure what you are or are not doing Peter, but they're all good for me, subject to the things I mentioned earlier

Gary, I assume you know about it, but your picture doesn't include the BR Blue/Grey version (with corridor but without the plough) which was released by AP in an update to their DBSO pack.

There is also the rather complicated history of the Nattydredd ScotRail version issued through DPS, long since withdrawn, and then resurfacing through the old (and rather controversial) Bluecode site - again, since disappeared. The Bluecode model was based on the Anglia version and .Geo file (so as to include the plough) and with a child object as a corridor connection (but not looking as good as the BR Blue/Grey model). It would be nice to "lift" the corridor connection from the BR model, but I'm sure that's not possible as it is hard coded in the .Geo file. The cab is also aliased to the 4-CIG cab to make it driveable, though not working correctly, and the GLV would be better. I have all the files from all the changes, and I started to cobble something together a couple of months ago, but not sure any of it is shareable due to the history.

[749006]

I know the GLV is required so I placed one on an adjacent track and that works ok

Did you have the DTG/Class73Pack01 Provider/Product pair enabled when you were trying to add a driver icon?

Does having the GLV from that pack mean I have it ticked?

These are the vehicles I can place on the track and Only the BR Blue will accept a Driver Icon

The files in the folders are a bit mixed

[TElsmore]

I know the GLV is required so I placed one on an adjacent track and that works ok

Did you have the DTG/Class73Pack01 Provider/Product pair enabled when you were trying to add a driver icon?

Does having the GLV from that pack mean I have it ticked?

These are the vehicles I can place on the track and Only the BR Blue will accept a Driver Icon

DBSOm.jpg

The files in the folders are a bit mixed

Hi.

I am having the same issue with this mod, i have the Class73pack01 ticked, but i can only get a driver icon to appear over the BR Blue DBSO, and even then i can't enter the cab view.

Cheers
Terrone.

[gptech]

Does having the GLV from that pack mean I have it ticked?

Yes, but it doesn't mean you had it ticked when you were trying to add driver icons. For all I/we know you only ticked it when subsequently adding a GLV to test that, and didn't re-check the DBSOs once it was enabled.

a child object as a corridor connection (but not looking as good as the BR Blue/Grey model). It would be nice to "lift" the corridor connection from the BR model, but I'm sure that's not possible as it is hard coded in the .Geo file. The cab is also aliased to the 4-CIG cab to make it driveable, though not working correctly, and the GLV would be better.

It may be easier to add a plough as a child object to the BR Blue/Grey model, but wouldn't the 421 cab be more apt for a DBCO with the corridor connection still in place?

[749006]

Does having the GLV from that pack mean I have it ticked?

Yes, but it doesn't mean you had it ticked when you were trying to add driver icons. For all I/we know you only ticked it when subsequently adding a GLV to test that, and didn't re-check the DBSOs once it was enabled.?

Ok, Don't take my word for it - I know I had placed it before any other stock

And in the post above yours you will see Terrone is having the same problem

[chrisonline]

a child object as a corridor connection (but not looking as good as the BR Blue/Grey model). It would be nice to "lift" the corridor connection from the BR model, but I'm sure that's not possible as it is hard coded in the .Geo file. The cab is also aliased to the 4-CIG cab to make it driveable, though not working correctly, and the GLV would be better.

It may be easier to add a plough as a child object to the BR Blue/Grey model, but wouldn't the 421 cab be more apt for a DBCO with the corridor connection still in place?

Agreed re the cab, but the GLV is more tempting as it already works! As for the plough, I agree, but I've searched high and low and can't find a plough as a separate child object that resembles the one on the DBSO (or in real photos). they all seem to be split types like those that come with the class 25/26, 31, etc, quite different to the one on the DBSO. If you are aware of one, let me know!