AP Class 68 Enhancement Pack - Out Now

[locomotiveman1994]

[The thing that makes me angry at AP is, that they update the old EP's scenarios to include new EPs..

There are two possible solutions

1. AP does not release Any Scenarios for new releases - this will upset some and won't bother others.

2. AP gives us the option to install the Scenario or not - currently it's all or nothing

Peter

3. AP could make scenarios using the default stock of an route + the on EP the scenario is for.

[gptech]

...and don't forget that you can always swap stock with RW Tools.....

We/you can't expect AP to produce umpteen versions of scenarios to suit whatever stock we each may have---what about the guy who has the stock but prefers to use that from another source?

[rlmathers]

[The thing that makes me angry at AP is, that they update the old EP's scenarios to include new EPs..

There are two possible solutions

1. AP does not release Any Scenarios for new releases - this will upset some and won't bother others.

2. AP gives us the option to install the Scenario or not - currently it's all or nothing

Peter

3. AP could make scenarios using the default stock of an route + the on EP the scenario is for.

The second solution is not strictly true, the Installer gives you the choice to extract to ANY folder of your choice.
Once extracted copy the items of choice to the contents/routes/ or assets including the .bat file.
Run the .bat file to copy the necessary files.

[749006]

3. AP could make scenarios using the default stock of an route + the on EP the scenario is for.

The second solution is not strictly true, the Installer gives you the choice to extract to ANY folder of your choice.
Once extracted copy the items of choice to the contents/routes/ or assets including the .bat file.
Run the .bat file to copy the necessary files.

I think you replied to the wrong post?

[locomotiveman1994]

3. AP could make scenarios using the default stock of an route + the on EP the scenario is for.

The second solution is not strictly true, the Installer gives you the choice to extract to ANY folder of your choice.
Once extracted copy the items of choice to the contents/routes/ or assets including the .bat file.
Run the .bat file to copy the necessary files.

I think you replied to the wrong post?

No. He isn't. He's telling us, how we could have your second option. Whether we install the scenarios or not...

[rosschris10]

A little unfair there surely? Maik's certainly got issues at the moment but these would seem to be more to do with his relationship with his associates than the game. Whichever, none of our business.
What makes you feel DTG have given up on the game?...it's only 4 months or so since we had a significant improvement to the core programming, 64bit support, which can hardly be described as the action a company that had 'given up' would follow.

On Maik - he has stated on the German forum that he is unlikely to work on any further TS routes and that he will switch to TSW as soon as the editor is available. He has already spent a lot of time on the Unreal Engine during the last 12 months. He may of course still do the odd TS project, but does seem almost to have given up on this. He has made it clear that he is happy to take the risk of switching to TSW - this could pay off handsomely for him but of course could also backfire.

On DTG - yes they have released 64-bit, but that's close to all. Otherwise they seem to limit themselves in large part to issuing a small number of route extensions every year that they can then bundle together in the next TSXX franchise. I am pretty sure that this will be the case for the Llandudno - Holyhead extension, which is highly likely to feature in TS2020. By having a new TS2020, TS2021 etc. every year, the old TS continues to look "current", which will make people more confident to continue to buy TS DLC. The old TS continues to be a "cash cow" for DTG, they are happy to milk this and DTG engage in piecemeal developments for TS in order to facilitiate this. Otherwise, they by all means have given up on the old TS - I would not be surprised if most of their development efforts are now on TSW. Virtually all of the 25 or so most recent Steam releases are now third-party products, not DTG's.

As a result, in the UK at least, it is now primarily AP which is driving the old TS forward - which is just great.

Amazing how you are quick to call DTG for milking the old cash cow in the old TS. Yet at the end of this you praise AP.
If anyone is good at milking the old cash cow then it certainly is not DTG but shock horror AP the very developer you seem to like praising and excluding from any criticism you are giving out

AP started off with sound pack. Then we had pro sound pack. Now we have “enhancement packs”. Next week it will be something else. And each time the latest version replaces the previous release of the older one.
We then have “track enhancement packs” that was already freely available as freeware by the community.
Now the latest thing AP do is release multiple volumes of the same class as stock. Take the class 319 for example V1 released. Then a few months later once people forget about v1 with a few other releases after it we get volume 2 announced.

If your going to criticise DTG for milking the cash cow and praise AP you clearly are trolling.

[xguerra]

*Topic Locked* incoming.

[SkylineBoy]

I think it was a fair point just not very well made.

[jpvdveer]

Final reaction and then I will indeed call it a day. DTG are "milking" TS by trying to make the maximum of revenue from it whilst minimising the amount of development for it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that - DTG are focusing on TSW now and should by all means be commended for taking the huge commercial gamble that TSW has been (and may still be to an extent). They merely "milk" TS in order to generate the cash flow required for TSW development (and to earn them a decent living). Totally fair enough.

Unlike DTG, AP are not minimising the amount of time spent on TS - quite the opposite. In what may well become a declining market for them (as some people, e.g. newcomers, are or will be switching to TSW), they continue to work extremely hard for TS and continue to press the game forward. On that basis, I would not say that AP are trying to "milk" the old TS. Without AP, TS would be, as far as the UK is concerned, way less interesting/rewarding than it actually is. The same cannot be said for DTG in recent years.

[rosschris10]

Final reaction and then I will indeed call it a day. DTG are "milking" TS by trying to make the maximum of revenue generating from it whilst minimising the amount of development for it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that - DTG are focusing on TSW now and should by all means be commended for taking the huge commercial gamble that TSW has been (and may still be to an extent). They merely "milk" TS in order to generate the cash flow required for TSW development (and to earn them a decent living). Totally fair enough.

Unlike DTG, AP are not minimising the amount of time spent on TS - quite the opposite. In what may well become a declining market for them (as some people, e.g. newcomers, are or will be switching to TSW), they continue to work extremely hard for TS and continue to press the game forward. On that basis, I would not say that AP are trying to "milk" the old TS. Without AP, TS would be, as far as the UK is concerned, way less interesting/rewarding than it actually is. The same cannot be said for DTG in recent years.

So AP now going down the path now of releasing "Versions" (until they next nam comes up to release them again with enhancements) is not milking the cash cow. Years ago AP would release a unit and have included all varients in that unit not held back some then released them as "Volume" packs.

Sounds packs, Pro Soundpack, Enhancement packs, (insert next name here packs) yeah that is of course not milking the cash cow is it.

As usual one rule for AP and another for any other developer.

[SkylineBoy]

The same cannot be said for DTG in recent years.

I have to disagree i'm afraid, i've thoroughly enjoyed some of the DTG content released in this time. Whether that be North Wales Coastal, South Wales Coastal, the list isn't insignificant. And let's not be silly and conveniently forget that 80% of the content arriving from AP in this period would not exist if DTG didn't release the content it relies on in the first place. I'm quite content to enjoy both vendors, it's just a shame to see that many can't.

[ashgray]

Final reaction and then I will indeed call it a day. DTG are "milking" TS by trying to make the maximum of revenue generating from it whilst minimising the amount of development for it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that - DTG are focusing on TSW now and should by all means be commended for taking the huge commercial gamble that TSW has been (and may still be to an extent). They merely "milk" TS in order to generate the cash flow required for TSW development (and to earn them a decent living). Totally fair enough.

Unlike DTG, AP are not minimising the amount of time spent on TS - quite the opposite. In what may well become a declining market for them (as some people, e.g. newcomers, are or will be switching to TSW), they continue to work extremely hard for TS and continue to press the game forward. On that basis, I would not say that AP are trying to "milk" the old TS. Without AP, TS would be, as far as the UK is concerned, way less interesting/rewarding than it actually is. The same cannot be said for DTG in recent years.

So AP now going down the path now of releasing "Versions" (until they next nam comes up to release them again with enhancements) is not milking the cash cow. Years ago AP would release a unit and have included all varients in that unit not held back some then released them as "Volume" packs.

Sounds packs, Pro Soundpack, Enhancement packs, (insert next name here packs) yeah that is of course not milking the cash cow is it.

As usual one rule for AP and another for any other developer.

Please, give it a rest. How many times do you intend to roll out this tired argument?

Anyone would think that you are somehow in their power - forced to buy, obliged to criticise....

Ash

[Merlin75]

What does saying DTG is milking the cash cow have to do with the AP class 68 pack ? … Any dev releasing multiple versions of the same thing could be accused of milking the cash cow be it DTG, JT or AP. But they know their customer base and make what they feel the customer wants. That's just how business works.

Just a shame people on here can no longer talk about add-ons for this game without turning it into another AP v DTG thread with the DTG bashing thrown in. But when anyone comes to defend DTG and points out that AP do pretty much the same thing they are bashing DTG for the AP fans call them AP bashers and accuse them of taking the thread off topic. Can't we all just enjoy the trains ?

Now back to the 68 can anyone with this pack just confirm if the nameplates are 2D or 3D I'm struggling from the screenshots and I'm one of them people who happens to like my stock with 3D plates.

[xguerra]

What does saying DTG is milking the cash cow have to do with the AP class 68 pack ? … Any dev releasing multiple versions of the same thing could be accused of milking the cash cow be it DTG, JT or AP. But they know their customer base and make what they feel the customer wants. That's just how business works.

Just a shame people on here can no longer talk about add-ons for this game without turning it into another AP v DTG thread with the DTG bashing thrown in. But when anyone comes to defend DTG and points out that AP do pretty much the same thing they are bashing DTG for the AP fans call them AP bashers and accuse them of taking the thread off topic. Can't we all just enjoy the trains ?

Now back to the 68 can anyone with this pack just confirm if the nameplates are 2D or 3D I'm struggling from the screenshots and I'm one of them people who happens to like my stock with 3D plates.

2D.

[Merlin75]

That's a shame they're 2D. Thanks for letting me know.