DB BR407 Velero

[holzroller]

Now released by DTG, scripts by Maik of VR fame, and model I think by SHG, but I could be mistaken. https://store.steampowered.com/app/8618 ... EMU_AddOn/ £14.99

[SkylineBoy]

Now released by DTG, scripts by Maik of VR fame, and model I think by SHG, but I could be mistaken. https://store.steampowered.com/app/8618 ... EMU_AddOn/ £14.99

The manual credits Maik and Jordi Blumberg, no mention of SHG.

[holzroller]

Just going by memory from the German forum for the model, but IIRC Jordi is part of Masterkey. Anyway one more for the list come payday.

Patch here for manual coupling https://rail-sim.de/forum/wsif/index.ph ... c0c99020e4

[smarty2]

Very nice it is too, I have an issue though, A restart on a saved scenario if one applies the brakes you get the full monty on the first brake setting! I think everything is activated... train brakes magnetic brakes and electric!

[Rogge]

I bought it and like it a lot. Having ignored PZB for all years it is a tad frustrating that PZB must be enabled to being able to activate and use LZB. I realize that this is the realistic way. (?) Haven´t yet figured out what/how to do when the LZB ends, emergency brakes kick in now... I drive using the Xbox controller as well and none of the buttons on the controller can be used to PZB.

I replaced all windows with non-blueish-tinted windows so i get a clear view out from the cab or waggon.

[smarty2]

Tried the AFB but it seems that it may be limited to 160kph if LZB is not activated? Not sure about that though.

[holzroller]

That's quite correct, in real life you can't exceed 160kmh unless you are using LZB.

[749006]

I bought it and like it a lot. Having ignored PZB for all years it is a tad frustrating that PZB must be enabled to being able to activate and use LZB. I realize that this is the realistic way. (?) Haven´t yet figured out what/how to do when the LZB ends, emergency brakes kick in now... I drive using the Xbox controller as well and none of the buttons on the controller can be used to PZB.

Thanks for spotting this "feature" - I can now give this BR 407 a big miss.

That part about having the PZB active for the LZB is something found on vR locos and as Maik did the scripting. . . .

I also have a dislike of PZB and I'm quite happy running at line speed with it turned off.
Yes, the PZB is "Realistic" but not everyone can get their head around the workings of it - read various webpages and I understand the basics but I usually get a Brake dump because I missed a magnet.
No different to using traction that is not PZB fitted

The HRQ Taurus is a better loco as you can isolate the PZB but the LZB still works on fitted sections of the track.

Peter

[MaikG]

Press the three PZB knobs down and hold them for at least 5 seconds and LZB will come up in a sort of debug mode without having PZB on. But it switches not on automatically when entering a LZB section. There are reasons why PZB need ot be activated when using LZB and i will not remove this behavior. If you dont want it, just dont turn on PZB/LZB and you can run as fast as can with that train. AFB works anyways.

[Rogge]

Press the three PZB knobs down and hold them for at least 5 seconds and LZB will come up in a sort of debug mode without having PZB on. But it switches not on automatically when entering a LZB section. There are reasons why PZB need ot be activated when using LZB and i will not remove this behavior. If you dont want it, just dont turn on PZB/LZB and you can run as fast as can with that train. AFB works anyways.

Yes, i could get that to work. I activated PZB and LZB and then pressed Del+End+Page Down at once for a couple of seconds. Great cheat!
It´s a great train to drive and i like it a lot!

One of the problems with forcing the user to have PZB enabled to being able to use LZB is that some (most) routes miss the END signs for LZB making it impossible to see where the LZB ends and the emergency brake hits you very fast in those situations. It just happened me when driving from Leipzig to Berlin were the LZB ends 2-3 kilometers from Berlin.

I found an issue with the brakes:
1. Drive the train.
2. Brake the train.
3. Set the Reverser switch to neutral during breaking.

Result:
The train stops braking when setting the Reverser switch changes it´s position.

Expected result:
That the train brakes no matter what setting the Reverser switch is set to.

[749006]

Press the three PZB knobs down and hold them for at least 5 seconds and LZB will come up in a sort of debug mode without having PZB on. But it switches not on automatically when entering a LZB section. There are reasons why PZB need ot be activated when using LZB and i will not remove this behavior. If you dont want it, just dont turn on PZB/LZB and you can run as fast as can with that train. AFB works anyways.

I'm going to try it on a couple of vR locos I have to see if it works on those too.

Thanks for the info Maik

Peter

[gazz292]

I only drive German trains... but for a few years i never switched PZB on because it just seem'd so complicated, i'd tried to use it, but just couldnt figure it out,

Then i got my first Virtual Railroads train, these usually have PZB helpers.. and using this made it all click into place.


Enabeling the PZB helper in vR trains is usually 'Control + [ (left bracket)' this brings up a yellow bug (small triangle) on the edge of the speedo face to advise you of the speeds you need to get to, as well as helper message boxes in the top right of the screen... also tells you what you did wrong... i.e. did not press PZB Wachsam within 4 seconds of passing an active 1000hz magnet at the caution signal etc.

A few drives with the PZB helper on and i had it figured out, and now i won't drive without PZB enabled.

Here is a video that really goes into the detail but shows exactly what to do, whilst driving trains in train simulator:
https://youtu.be/NR3G_WkIwaA


The emergency braking after LZB end is usually because the 'PZB Frei' button wasnt pressed when you got the 'lzd ende' light and buzzer? but some routes dont impliment LZB very well... the berlin to xxxx routes by aerosoft usually have updates you can download from them, this corrects the faults.

[Rogge]

Enabeling the PZB helper in vR trains is usually 'Control + [ (left bracket)

The problem is that the bracket keys is not a native key on my keyboard, Swedish, so i cant use any help system. I wish they could use the F2-F12 keys since they are native on all keyboards. (Apart from that it sounds great! )

I looked at a shorter YT video from the same guy today and it was great but will watch this one as well tomorrow. Thanks for the tip!

[jpilborough]

One of the problems with forcing the user to have PZB enabled to being able to use LZB is that some (most) routes miss the END signs for LZB making it impossible to see where the LZB ends and the emergency brake hits you very fast in those situations. It just happened me when driving from Leipzig to Berlin were the LZB ends 2-3 kilometers from Berlin.

If the LZB is correctly implemented the "Ende" lamp on the display should start flashing as you approach the end of the LZB section, this is the prompt to hit the 'Frei' button. There's no audio warning though, so you have to either be vigilant or know the rough area to expect it.

It's an interesting question how much authors should have to cater for everyone's different desires for 'realism'. I remember once an amusing Argument on a german Forum from a guy who, having encountered a model with actually realistic braking Physics for the first time, demanded it be 'fixed' because it was too difficult to drive

In real life German drivers learn PZB first and may only be taught about LZB if they need it to work high speed passenger Service, so to me it just sounds strange to run with LZB on but PZB off!

If it's any consolation to those struggling with it, PZB interventions through driver inattention or error are pretty common in Germany.The funniest I saw was when the driver of a DB Regio Service departing Köln Hbf was so busy ogling the Class 103 working a DB Museum Special Train on the adjacent track that he forgot to acknowledge the Signal at the end of the platform and Ground to a halt a few metres out of the platform, much to the mirth of his colleagues working the Special

Sorry About the weird capitalization, my new Laptop capitalizes everything it thinks is a german noun, and I don't know how to turn it off for tying in english

[smarty2]

When I put it into reverse the font/characters are in Chinese?