ATW reskin of the AP Waggonz Mk3 DVT

[gptech]

Chris's relaease note/ReadMe for the rework of the class 67 and Mungo's ATW DVT:

Also, this pack only applies to:
a) the Class 67 from RSC via Steam (residing in the Assets folder Class67Pack01)
- and NOT the Just Trains Class 67
b) the Class 90/Mk3 DVT Pack from DTG/Steam (residing in the Assets folder Class90Pack01)
- and NOT the Class 90/Mk3 DVT pack sold directly by AP......

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Compatability with the AP_Waggonz (direct from AP) DVT is not possible using this method, and it appears
that rescripting of either the Sound Pack or the DVT would be needed to achieve that.

So again please note that this "roll-back" Class 67 for use with thew Mks DVT does NOT have AP Sounds, but it
ensures compatibility with the Mk3 DVT

So, the *fixed* 67 won't work with the AP acquired DVT, only with the DVT as part of the GEML pack through Steam.
That information isn't hidden away, it's right at the start of the ReadMe---should have been the first place to check if you were having issues.

(I can't moan at Peter, 'cos he was right about the GEML pack being the only one from Steam so you're getting both barrels Martin )

The DVT in the pack shows in the game as

MK3 DVT ATW ADV

and

MK3 DVT ATW HUD

Mungo's original reskin shows as

MK3 DVT Arriva Trains Wales

and

MK3 DVT Arriva Trains Wales UNI

so there's no duplication of names to get in the way and hide one of 'em.

Install it, if the numbers all wrong again do nothing about it---that's an easy fix--just make sure it works properly with the 67.
Once you know that's sorted then you can drill through the files to see why the game can find the placeholders, but not display the correct running number---off the top of my head though I'd say the .dcsv file the reworked DVT is looking for doesn't exist, or at least not where it's looking for it; that's why you gat the hex string instead of the right number when viewing it's properties in the editor.

[smarty2]

Right, of which I have installed and configured in the consist, so why doesn't it work? No throttle control in the 67 for use with the supplied dvt but no ap sounds, no key controls in the supplied dvt? when connected to the 67 or dvt? But operate ok individually? or together on the geml???

[gptech]

From the ReadMe again...

As a workaround, I have created a "roll-back" model of the Class 67 which does NOT use the AP enhanced
sounds & physics,

So the lack of AP sounds isn't an issue.
I don't have the AP sounds so can't really test this one myself, but I'll have a play with a default version.

[smarty2]

Yep, and that is the one you are supposed to use with the dvt, which I have been using. Now this will bake your noodle, whilst putting down a test consist it accidentally attached to the original, but an Ai consist used in the scenario which is miles away appeared in the consist!? (I didn't realise at the time it was one of my Ai) I deleted it from the AWT consist it became attached to and lo and behold that Ai consist disappeared from the scenario completely! Wish someone could tell me what's going on with NWC, never had that happen before.

[smarty2]

I tried a test where I had to couple up the 67 to the coaches/dvt, the 67 works perfectly but the dvt is dead as a dodo? Think I have had enough of this particular trial!

I can package it up and anyone wanting to test it on their rigs feel free to ask?

[gptech]

I can package it up and anyone wanting to test it on their rigs feel free to ask?

Go on then...it's got under my skin by now so seeing what you have could be a great help.

[chrisonline]

I tried a test where I had to couple up the 67 to the coaches/dvt, the 67 works perfectly but the dvt is dead as a dodo?

I've come to this thread late, but is this the issue here . . .? If you have the RSC Class 67 (NOT the JustTrains class 67), and then add the AP 67 enhancement pack, the scripting interferes with the scripting on the DVT, and the DVT has no sounds and doesn't function correctly.

A couple of years ago I created a compatible version of the 67 which circumvented the AP enhancement so that the DVT would work fine, and provided a full consist for the ATW Cardiff-Holyhead Business Train (with the South Wales coastal in mind, but we have since inherited the North Wales Coastal!). At the time I said it was strictly to circumvent the AP enhancement problem, though several people have told me since that it works either way.

Anyway if this is the issue and you are interested, check out UKTS 35574
http://uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php? ... leid=35574

I since made a couple of tweaks on my own version to fix a numbers texture issue and tweak the ReadMe, but never uploaded them. I will try to get around to that to upload a v1.1

I also did a version for the EWS class 67 standalone
http://uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php? ... leid=35564

[smarty2]

Hi Chris, the sounds work ok in the dvt, it is the controls that don't work, well as long as the 67 (RSC) isn't attached to it? And it seems to be intermittent to some extent, as stated the Ap sounds won't work with the dvt 67's. I've tried 35574 and still have issues with the dvt?

@Gary p.m me you're e-mail please mate, the scenario has an issue with service 7 at this point in time so it isn't a finished project so delete it in the editor otherwise you will encounter it leaving its path!

[chrisonline]

[quote="smarty2"]Hi Chris, the sounds work ok in the dvt, it is the controls that don't work, well as long as the 67 (RSC) isn't attached to it? And it seems to be intermittent to some extent, as stated the Ap sounds won't work with the dvt 67's. I've tried 35574 and still have issues with the dvt?

Martin, I can't speak for 35574 (not sure what the source of that is . . and have Hymeks ever worked in tandem with a DTV?), but I have double checked on the ATW Class 67/Mk3DVT package and it seems to be working fine. I know you're aware of limitations, but please make sure that:
1) you are using the class 67 named "Class 67 ATW Blue for DVT" . . and bear in mind it does NOT have AP sounds, to ensure that it DOES work!
2) you are using the DVT HUD version
(To make it easier, I have created consists for the whole Cardiff/Holyhead Business train, facing in both directions - try them)
3) on installation you used the .Geo files from the GREY model (though I'm not sure that would matter in this case)

The fix for the numbering on the DVT is in the Dropbox link below, I'll leave it up for a few days but plan to re-upload the whole package to include the numbering patch. I will also make reference to the fact that this train formation now operates across the North Wales Coastal Route as well (though I noticed that the franchise is up for tender in a few months, so who knows what will happen after that?)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4myl4kkkjt4s ... ch.7z?dl=0

If this still isn't working for you, I'm not sure what to suggest. It has had over 750 downloads since I uploaded it in April 2016, and no one has come back to me saying it didn't work!

Chris

[gptech]

Martin, I can't speak for 35574 (not sure what the source of that is . . and have Hymeks ever worked in tandem with a DTV?),

UKTS 35574 Chris; your package, not a Hymek (none of which carried TOPS numbers anyway) reskin.

Martin, the advanced, full fat version of any of the DVTs will not support what you're trying to do---you'd need to use the HUD version if you want to drive a loco to a waiting rake of coaches + DVT and then drive from the DVT. It's possible if you use a class 90 as the initial loco, as noted in the manual for the original Class90Pack:

All of the liveries included for the Mk3 DVT are the fully featured version to be
used with the AP/Waggonz class 87 & 90. The ‘Intercity Swallow’ & ‘Virgin Old’
liveries also feature a ‘universal’ version (UNI suffix in scenario editor) which can be
used with other locomotives but features none of the advanced features mentioned
above.

so I strongly suspect you have the *wrong* DVT hanging on thr end of the coaches.

EDIT: Incidentaklly Chris, after testing I can confirm that your pack's DVT will work with a Hymek

[chrisonline]

UKTS 35574 Chris; your package, not a Hymek (none of which carried TOPS numbers anyway) reskin.

Incidentaklly Chris, after testing I can confirm that your pack's DVT will work with a Hymek

Ha ha, I'm so relieved Gary . . . that would have kept me up at night for some time

[smarty2]

Martin, the advanced, full fat version of any of the DVTs will not support what you're trying to do

Even the one supplied in Chris's pack? There are two versions yes? HUD and ADV so if the ADV one doesn't work with the supplied 67 for it then I must be missing something!
I tried a test by placing a driver icon on the adv version of Chris's DVT and it crashed the game, every time?
All I'm trying to do is start off in the 67 and drive to point A then swap into the DVT and drive to point B so what you are saying is I can't do that with the ADV version of the reskin...? When Chris has stated that there had been many downloads and no issues been reported with those users?

@Chris, the numbering fix is it supposed to overwrite any files when I drop it into the assets folder?

@Gary, have you tried the scenario? And are you having the same issue, or is it a case of phantom zone P.C syndrome?

[chrisonline]

Martin, the advanced, full fat version of any of the DVTs will not support what you're trying to do

Even the one supplied in Chris's pack? There are two versions yes? HUD and ADV so if the ADV one doesn't work with the supplied 67 for it then I must be missing something!
I tried a test by placing a driver icon on the adv version of Chris's DVT and it crashed the game, every time?
All I'm trying to do is start off in the 67 and drive to point A then swap into the DVT and drive to point B so what you are saying is I can't do that with the ADV version of the reskin...? When Chris has stated that there had been many downloads and no issues been reported with those users?

@Chris, the numbering fix is it supposed to overwrite any files when I drop it into the assets folder?

@Gary, have you tried the scenario? And are you having the same issue, or is it a case of phantom zone P.C syndrome?

Again Martin, why persist with the ADV version when you have been advised to use the HUD version!?? For the record the ADV version does not crash for me, but it certainly doesn't work properly (or should we say, it works inconsistently) when switching from the other end of the train. Maybe I should just remove the ADV version from the package?

So Again . . . USE THE HUD VERSION! You lose the ability to cold-start, but the sounds are complete and there is little other difference. You will find that you can go back and forth, switching between ends. The Cardiff-Holyhead Business train reversing at Chester will work beautifully!

More simply - start by just using the PreLoad consists I have provided which already give you the full pre-formed consists (and use the HUD version of the DVT and the correct class 67 including ND when it starts as trailing loco)

No, the the numbering fix does not overwrite anything. It adds a couple of files and folders that I overlooked with the original upload (you can check this by looking at the new download and seeing what it contains)

[smarty2]

It is a pity, Chris, as I like the extra functionality of the ADV version, the one I'm using in a consist I put together has only the reverser DSD and headlight keys that are nonfunctional it is still driveable though. Cheers for your help though it is appreciated.

[gptech]

All I'm trying to do is start off in the 67 and drive to point A then swap into the DVT and drive to point B so what you are saying is I can't do that with the ADV version of the reskin...?

No, what I'm saying is that you can't start off in an any uncoupled loco (other than the class 90 and AP enhanced 87), couple to the coaches and DVT, and then swap cabs to that DVT, any DVT, if its the ADV version. That's how it's always worked. Easy to test this yourself, just use ant of the supplied ADV DVTs with any loco in a new freeroam.
Remember Chris's pack adds nothing to the DVT other than the ATW livery to the GEML DVT which makes sense as Mungo's ATW coaches use the GEML coaches as a base. The rework to the 67 is only to roll back from the updated AP enhancement to the default state, as the update broke the 67/DVT combination completely.

Rather than missing something, you're adding your expectations/perceived features to the pack and accordingly it comes up short.