Reworked Class 390 "Pendolino" from DTG

[gptech]

,,,but the option to purchase or not stays the same, regardless of whether you think DTG are right or wrong in taking heed of the many requests they've had to revamp the Pendo.
OK, you may not like it and that's fine--entirely your opinion (as you're so quick to point out) but there's no need to turn it into the complaint that many are seeing it as.
Instead of being overly negative---what will you do if the rework surpasses the hopes of everyone?--why not broaden the discussion by moving on to some important questions/avenues of conjecture....

will it replace the original model or live alongside it?
if it's a replacement will it be in a mirror of the current folder structure so that existing scenarios aren't *broken*?

I'll leave it at that for now, as I'm busy writing a scenario featuring the reworked rework version of the reworked DT Mk1s I have installed........

[Merlin75]

Funny that people are happy to spend £11.99 on sounds but are upset that they might have to pay £11.99 for a reworked train that is quite a few years old and is one addon that could do with a rework.

[rosschris10]

DTG doing their bit for the environment by recycling an old product.

Couldn’t agree more seems to be happening allot with another developer as well it don’t see you complain about that


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[Easilyconfused]

That's enough!

This thread is about a release from DTG not another developer. If you want to hurl insults about then go do it on Facebook or some other place.

Rather than locking threads I will be applying forum breaks as appropriate and I have more time available for a week or two since I have a ton of boring meetings at work and I figured out how to get the forums working on my mobile phone.

[tycoonkid9]

Funny that people are happy to spend £11.99 on sounds but are upset that they might have to pay £11.99 for a reworked train that is quite a few years old and is one addon that could do with a rework.

Take the DTG (RSC) Class 66 V2 when it came out. It was heavily redone from the old RS era model. So I can anticipate redone sounds on this 390.

[USRailFan]

No mention of pricing yet, nor of whether existing owners qualify for a discount and no mention of what features will be implemented. All we can say for certain is that it's somehow reworked and iwill come in Virgin livery so why has there already been negativity?
If it offers very little over the model we may already have, whether it's £11.99, £119.90 or £1.19 we're under no obligation to purchase it.

I guess we'll see whether they follow the practice from e.g. the Class 56 or 101, or the South Wales routes...

[749006]

So I can anticipate redone sounds on this 390.

This does appear to be you default comment
Every DLC which comes out that is similar to a previous release is met with a comment from you about "recycled sounds"

APT

I don’t really have a clear idea how it probably sounded like in real life. - i’m guessing those sounds might be recycled for the power cars, but i won’t be surprised to hear 390 sounds recycled onto it.

2Hal

New announcement…can be anticipating recycled sounds from the existing slam doors

Peter

[david1]

Funny that people are happy to spend £11.99 on sounds but are upset that they might have to pay £11.99 for a reworked train that is quite a few years old and is one addon that could do with a rework.

That usally because the original model sounds terrible and just gets used as an AI model, A sound pack file makes you want to drive it, that's what happens with the class 45 used on Newcastle to Plymouth routes but don't drive it as it sounds dreadful. A reworked model well that depends on how good it is and who does it, that why people don't want to pay again if it is still not right, take Virgin first generation pack, miles better looking cab, better features and physics than the original model, but sounds not to AP standards, I am not sure if I want to drive it though, which is why I waited to get it in the sale as there was mixed feedback on it. Its a trade off do I want more realistic physics or do I want better sounds.

[david1]

Take the DTG (RSC) Class 66 V2 when it came out. It was heavily redone from the old RS era model. So I can anticipate redone sounds on this 390.

They might well redo the sounds, but where do these sounds come from, we have lots of dlc that DTG claim authentic sounds, they might come off the internet for all we know, because most either did not come from a proper engine or used poor recording equipment, also remember the APT is also claims authentic which is impossible to be recorded from a real one as it does not work, that said it does sound quite good.

[dp123]

Take the DTG (RSC) Class 66 V2 when it came out. It was heavily redone from the old RS era model. So I can anticipate redone sounds on this 390.

They might well redo the sounds, but where do these sounds come from, we have lots of dlc that DTG claim authentic sounds, they might come off the internet for all we know, because most either did not come from a proper engine or used poor recording equipment, also remember the APT is also claims authentic which is impossible to be recorded from a real one as it does not work, that said it does sound quite good.

The auxiliaries on the existing APT vehicles can indeed be powered up, the horns can sound, the air con can blow etc. It's only traction power that can't be recorded. As regards sounds, it's as important how the sounds are recorded and edited as much as their source.

i like this idea of a reworked Pendo, new tilt scripts akin to the APT, maybe even functioning TASS and tilt speed differentials akin to the implementation of C-APT. It'll have proper branding, too....

[31160]

While peeps seam to be getting wound up about the price,even though nobodys quoted what it is, like they did with the Virgin Vomit and North Wales just mybee this will come with a missing bit of the WCML

[VeraTheMage]

The current Class 390 add-on is really showing its age. It needs a good rework with all the mod cons, and I'll be interested to see just what they add to it - both nine and eleven car consists along with tilting controls and whatnot would be lovely.

Take the DTG (RSC) Class 66 V2 when it came out. It was heavily redone from the old RS era model. So I can anticipate redone sounds on this 390.

They might well redo the sounds, but where do these sounds come from, we have lots of dlc that DTG claim authentic sounds, they might come off the internet for all we know, because most either did not come from a proper engine or used poor recording equipment, also remember the APT is also claims authentic which is impossible to be recorded from a real one as it does not work, that said it does sound quite good.

There's a huge distinction between authentic and realistic. I can create a scenario for the Riveria Line that utilises rolling stock accurate to the period and area but a fictional timetable, and that can be said to be an authentic experience. The sounds recorded for the APT and 2HAL are authentic, but for obvious reasons they aren't realistic.

[Merlin75]

When you think that the class390 came out in 2012 then it is one train that is long in the tooth. It'll be nice of DTG if they offer a discount but it won't be wrong of them if they don't due to the age of this addon .

[IronBidder]

There's a huge distinction between authentic and realistic. I can create a scenario for the Riveria Line that utilises rolling stock accurate to the period and area but a fictional timetable, and that can be said to be an authentic experience. The sounds recorded for the APT and 2HAL are authentic, but for obvious reasons they aren't realistic.

Authentic usually means genuine or faithfully resembling the original, which I think sets the bar a bit above what DTG can deliver with engines like the APT and 2HAL. I prefer the term credible for this sort of work. All models are an approximation of reality, it's only the degree of approximation that differs. But I'm happy to have something that is near enough for me to think it's like the real thing.

Let's hope DTG do a good job on the 390. Given it's significance and what they've shown they can do it certainly justifies a full upgrade and a full price if they get it right.

[tycoonkid9]

I have a bad feeling AP won’t be updating his new scenario packs to support this new 390…but since the included stock in his scenario packs had the Virgin branding removed and this is an official DTG product that’s licensed by Virgin I won’t be surprised to see it used.