Just Trains - South Western Expressways - Released

[holzroller]

Criticism of freeware and payware are two different issues. With freeware you have something that somebody put their own time and effort into, constructive critiscm may or may not be welcome, some authors actively encourage feedback, but it should always be borne in mind that somebody has put their free time into it. Payware is another thing altogether, if you have paid for something with your hard earned cash then you are entitled to an opinion good or bad, and we now have both in this thread. Personally I have stopped buying JT routes, partly because they are the wrong era for me, but also due to disappointment with previous routes. Negative feedback has it's place, without it a company can see sales dropping, but not see why.

[gptech]

Nobody is complaining about constructive criticism though Holz, only that which comes with claims of 'malpractice'.

safathome, have you sent your list of defects to JT?---if nothing else they're pretty good at resolving issues that are highlighted in feedback, maybe not all of them and not straight away, and I'm sure they'd welcome the observations of somebody who knows the area well.

As an aside, WML came in for a lot of criticism about the amount of trees etc, and whilst I don't have the route I know somebody who does and yes, there are plenty of trees and bushes but what stood out to me on the admittedly limited fly about in the route, many looked like they'd been planted by contrary Mary----"pretty maids all in arrow" rather than looking natural. Some are artists, some are artisans and I'd say adding flora is more of an art form.

[dumpadillo]

SWT train services do run from Waterloo to BTM via Salisbury,Westbury,Bath using Class 159's and a very good service it is for those travellers who want to avoid GWML into Paddington.

Dumps

[johnrossetti]

I agree its a great route and cheaper than GWR by a mile. Minor downside is it's an hour longer at 2hrs 45m
I think there are 3 trains a day, Ive used the 12:20 service to visit and Aunt.
09:20
and the one I get
Waterloo 12:20
Clapham J 12:27
Woking 12:45 <<<<<
Basingstoke 13:05
Andover 13:23
Salisbury 13:43
Warminster 14:11
Westbury 14:20
Trowbridge 14:27
Bradford-on-Avon 14:33
Bath Spa 14:46
Keynsham 14:54
Bristol TM 15:05
and
19:20

Fare is £21 single or £26 1st Single !!
Compared to GWR £44.90 and £85.50

Trains are good if a bit noisy
Shame you cant do the WHOLE route on TS
Cheers JR

[deltic009]

Criticism of freeware and payware are two different issues. With freeware you have something that somebody put their own time and effort into, constructive critiscm may or may not be welcome, some authors actively encourage feedback, but it should always be borne in mind that somebody has put their free time into it. Payware is another thing altogether, if you have paid for something with your hard earned cash then you are entitled to an opinion good or bad, and we now have both in this thread. Personally I have stopped buying JT routes, partly because they are the wrong era for me, but also due to disappointment with previous routes. Negative feedback has it's place, without it a company can see sales dropping, but not see why.

I agree with most of this apart from the bolded bit - there is still a lot of time, passion and effort that goes in to payware products - just because something is payware it doesn't automatically mean it is the persons only or main source of income - a case in point being my Deltic pack through Vulcan - I now have 3 years of sleep to catch up on LOL.

[ll22012]

may be these map help somebody.....the new track is in pink color

[ll22012]

and another one

[ll22012]

and a last one

[holzroller]

Criticism of freeware and payware are two different issues. With freeware you have something that somebody put their own time and effort into, constructive critiscm may or may not be welcome, some authors actively encourage feedback, but it should always be borne in mind that somebody has put their free time into it. Payware is another thing altogether, if you have paid for something with your hard earned cash then you are entitled to an opinion good or bad, and we now have both in this thread. Personally I have stopped buying JT routes, partly because they are the wrong era for me, but also due to disappointment with previous routes. Negative feedback has it's place, without it a company can see sales dropping, but not see why.

I agree with most of this apart from the bolded bit - there is still a lot of time, passion and effort that goes in to payware products - just because something is payware it doesn't automatically mean it is the persons only or main source of income - a case in point being my Deltic pack through Vulcan - I now have 3 years of sleep to catch up on LOL.

I'm sure that there is, I can think of a few payware producers where this is very obvious, but the point is, once you charge for something then you have to accept a paying customers right to criticize. IIRC they have a legal right. Regardless of whether it is your full or part time employment you are taking payment, large or small, for your product and the time you have put into your product, and your customer is paying with their hard earned cash. In the case of freeware you get no reward other than praise if you are lucky, but you may put just as much or even more into it. Think of Cambridge lines, Rodactahlbahn, Project Frieberg, and Virtual District line to name but a few.

[safathome]

Nobody is complaining about constructive criticism though Holz, only that which comes with claims of 'malpractice'.

safathome, have you sent your list of defects to JT?---if nothing else they're pretty good at resolving issues that are highlighted in feedback, maybe not all of them and not straight away, and I'm sure they'd welcome the observations of somebody who knows the area well.

As an aside, WML came in for a lot of criticism about the amount of trees etc, and whilst I don't have the route I know somebody who does and yes, there are plenty of trees and bushes but what stood out to me on the admittedly limited fly about in the route, many looked like they'd been planted by contrary Mary----"pretty maids all in arrow" rather than looking natural. Some are artists, some are artisans and I'd say adding flora is more of an art form.

I have raised issues with JT before with problem I had on the Cardiff to Pad route, I was duly given a ticket number and on request for an update they said they were to busy at that time because of up and coming routes (which was released)...that was 7 months ago, and I have given up with that. anyway that is that. in route creation I would have thought it would be a good idea to actually send someone with a camera to record stations and such or even use Google (yes it had been pointed out to me that this is a reasonably small company blah, blah, ok using assets from there library I might have to live with but to get simple things wrong in the building stage like trees going through a footbridge step is a bit much (which by the way is visible from the train when you have stopped at the station) station buildings are wrong too by the way.
I certainly am not a rivet counter and I am sorry that I might come across as such. for sure, I don't know if the Inverness to Kyle route is correct but it looks good to me anyone who knows that route might have other ideas,or any route in Europe (I have travelled freely across Europe)
I would hope I know SWE well as not only its on my patch but I also worked on the railway for 38 years.

On one of the supplied scenarios Taunton to Bristol (via Westbury) with a 47 the description states the weather situation is overcast, well the whole way its unbroken Blue sky
Enough said by me on this.
Happy driving you all.
Steve

[safathome]

Oh my, paignton extension released today (separate thread)
ticket raised
will do the same for my findings (so far) on SDE when I have time and have calmed down.

Steve

[CapitolLimited]

Some of the comments sadly reflect the self-entitlement attitude that stopped me DJing in clubs, refereeing football matches and organising music festivals. One event drew hundreds of critical comments for a charity event that had free entry. When I piped up and said I was the organiser and that we needed more volunteers next time, the forum went deadly quiet.

I finished a scenario for the NNL & Goblin lines a few nights ago, I was proud of it as it's my first. I was about to publish it, then remembered that I'd end up swearing at someone with a shopping list of complaints. Shame really, there are probably loads like me, sitting on perfectly enjoyable home-made content but simply not prepared to take the flack from the hissy-fit brigade.

Not understanding why you're arguing about constructive criticism which is good for developers. Just because we have some issues with the route does not mean that we, the criticizers, are suffering from "entitlement." JustTrains has clearly shown that they do not care about the quality which they put out, which is extremely evident from the very long list of complaints that users who are local to the route may have. Are we to withhold this information just because you're feelings are hurt from a little constructive criticism? Why not put out a public post to kick them into putting a little more research in the products they pump out.

And if you're DJing and you are receiving hundreds of critical comments, perhaps you should evaluate yourself and your "skills" or lack thereof? You do not have to listen to the complaints either, just pull a JT and pretend you are addressing it by saying they are more invested in future products.

[IronBidder]

Yeah, that was me with my scenario's, very rarely do I upload any now due to the rivet and accuracy counter brigade!

It's very easy to dismiss comments we don't like as rivet counting, but what if they're right, don't we want to improve?

[tubemad]

and why is the "morning stopper" starting at Bath and not BTM and the traction is a SWT 158
Steve

Nothing unusual seeing an SWT 158. 159s have been mentioned, but an SWT 158 was on long term loan to FGW, I've seen it do the Melksham service, Worcester, stroud valley, Weymouth, Bristol - Westbury shuttles ect.

Finally an addon that covers my patch down Westbury end!!


Looking forward to trying this. Last time I saw a thread with a bunch of complaints and rivet counting about the route, I bought it and actually ended up enjoying it!

[safathome]

and why is the "morning stopper" starting at Bath and not BTM and the traction is a SWT 158
Steve

Nothing unusual seeing an SWT 158. 159s have been mentioned, but an SWT 158 was on long term loan to FGW, I've seen it do the Melksham service, Worcester, stroud valley, Weymouth, Bristol - Westbury shuttles ect.

Finally an addon that covers my patch down Westbury end!!


Looking forward to trying this. Last time I saw a thread with a bunch of complaints and rivet counting about the route, I bought it and actually ended up enjoying it!

Ah yes, I remember that too - nice first class !! - but why start it at Bath instead of Bristol TM,then with stops at Keynsham & Oldfield Park included - this will be raised to JT but doubt it can be / will be changed.
When you purchase this can you (no doubt you will seeing you like me are local you even more to me) take a look around Trowbridge Stn and see my point about things that are not right, Trowbridge ticket office will be another example - its a brick wall !.
Also the Level crossing at Bradford On avon from the Westbury side, should this be protected by a signal ?
Avoncliff (Halt)
Dundass aquaduct
Kennet & avon canel issue with slope
Hawkeridge Jcn name
Bath spa station
the Lorry park instead of the bus station at Bath

I happen to like the stretch from Taunton to Westbury (apart from Fairwood Jcn)

I look forward to your comments, cheers

Steve