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[k3v1n989a813]

...and we have a winner....

I can't see a raised pantograph on the right one.

Are you sure that you used the AC variant that came with the Standalone 319? Intentional or not, your screenshot hides the fact that the pantograph on the standalone version can be raised and here's the evidence...

The first screenshot I have here is of my DLC library, as you can see, there's only two items that start with M, none of them being the midland mainline.


The second screenshot clearly shows that the standalone 319 has 2 variants, the AC and DC version.


The third screenshot shows the Class 319 with the raised pantograph, whilst admittedly this is the AP soundpack version, there are more screenshots to come.


The fourth screenshot shows that the Class 319 soundpack has been removed in preparation for the next screenshot.


Finally, the fifth screenshot and the final nail on your coffin... this one shows the pantograph raised as well as the any traces of the AP soundpack removed, everything is default (with the exception of Richard Fletcher's Northern Rail reskin) and therefore reveals that the standalone Class 319 does include the AC variant. This makes the BedPan 319 absolutely useless with no excuse to back up the fact that it is separate to the standalone version.

[rfletcher72]

This makes the BedPan 319 absolutely useless with no excuse to back up the fact that it is separate to the standalone version.

Why it is useless?

And for people who don't have the standalone DLC, they buy MML and get a prototypical consist to run on it.

I honestly do not see the issue here. When push comes to shove, people are their own free agents to buy or not buy however they see fit.

[gptech]

Are you sure that you used the AC variant that came with the Standalone 319?

Absolutely

The first screenshot I have here is of my DLC library, as you can see, there's only two items that start with M, none of them being the midland mainline.

Try Bed-Pan...as in short for Bedford - (St) Pancras

The second screenshot clearly shows that the standalone 319 has 2 variants, the AC and DC version.

No argument that it does, but would you like to check that you're looking at the right one...The .bin files for the standalone version show the default stock as "Class 319 MSO FCC (OHE)", (and "(3rd Rail)") your screen shot shows them as being described as AC and DC which is how the MML ones are denoted.

and the final nail on your coffin

Surely that's in my coffin (-5 points for typo, thus losing impact)

therefore reveals that the standalone Class 319 does include the AC variant.

As above, no argument there.

You've gone to an awful lot of bother there to prove me wrong....I like such devotion to a cause.
Now go back and properly check that you're using the standalone version, no matter what files you may have removed with Windows Explorer you have yet to show you're actually using the standalone pack in the game.

[k3v1n989a813]

no matter what files you may have removed with Windows Explorer you have yet to show you're actually using the standalone pack in the game.

Your arrogance is astounding, instead of admitting you made a mistake, you instead accuse me of owning the BedPan route. What an absolutely laughable accusation.

Feast your eyes on this...


This is from my purchase history. As you can clearly see, the route was refunded on the 6th of October, today is the 12th of November, which proves that I am using the standalone pack.

[gptech]

you instead accuse me of owning the BedPan route

No. I merely pointed out that you may have been looking in the wrong place. Nowhere in your post did you state that you don't own the MML so how could I (or anybody else) know that the only stock you should see listed is from your collection.

which proves that I am using the standalone pack.

No, it only proves you received a refund for the DLC.. I'm certainly not going to accuse you of having a ripped off copy of it, but I will ask you once again to be absolutely certain that you're selecting the right stock.
The only way to do this is to create a new standard scenario, and not rely on the game's automated functions in Quick Drive.
As a control element, we need somebody else to replicate my, and your, tests.
We can either do this in the spirit of sussing out what's actually working and what isn't, or we can fight about it. I'd prefer the former, but I'm old enough, big enough and certainly ugly enough to do the latter.
If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but you'll definitely have to provide more conclusive evidence.

[tango4262]

...and we have a winner....

I can't see a raised pantograph on the right one.

It's a long standing issue with the original version, which eventually brings us to the point.

Peter, you've bought the AP MkII pack, despite by now probably having a plethora of MkII coaches. Obviously because the AP pack is a much improved/better version (ignoring the a,b,c,d,e,f,g,....z variations there may have been), If you apply your "this is improved, it's worth buying" thinking to the class 319 bundled, at absolutely no extra charge, with the MML route then as it's an improved model it's worthy of consideration. OK, buying a route is dearer than a stand alone loco pack and I've no argument with anybody who'd moan that the original could do with a fix but that's your option if you want an improvement.
Now you know how to download and install Workshop scenarios you don't have all the DLC for your 319 worries have vanished though, and as your class 378 'gripe' was a non-starter anyway would you agree that your *support ticket* can be closed?

tornados... your next port of call should be "Build" from the game's main menu, have a wee go at producing a route. Obviously I'm not expecting you to reproduce Waterloo this afternoon, but spend a couple of hours creating a branch line with a station and a small goods yard. get it all fully sceneried up, with working signals, drop in a couple of scenarios at least, and then pop back and tell us how easy it was. By the way, did you realise that in your dialogue with Danny you were corresponding with someone who has worked on DTGs routes?---yes, one of those "slap dash, only in it for the money guys". I do hope you really were ignorant of that fact, a comedic complaint such as yours really needs a wee twist like that to produce broad grins on people's faces.

And lastly, typhoon.... the MML 319 may not be covered by the AP soundpack, but that's not DTG's job to resolve. If you want AP sounds on the MML 319 put pressure on AP to update their product. I'd still like some corroboration regarding your statement that it's the scripting that precludes the MML version from having AP sounds applied and some clarification about who's scripting you refer to--DTG's or AP's.

I noticed that straight away, hence why I said "Aswell"

[gptech]

I noticed that straight away, hence why I said "Aswell"

Well, you can't have a prize as an objection has been raised in relation to the running of the "competition"
If we ever resolve it though, we'll sort something out...Do you have the original 319 by the way?

[749006]

Class 319 as AI comparison

MML on the left, stand alone pack on the right.

See the difference?

The difference is you have set the two trains up differently.

To find out if the 319 Standalone could run on AC you just had to look on DP Simulation Website where Richard Fletcher has done a very good reskin in to Northern Livery.
Also on the page it's specified the reskin works with the Stand Alone FCC 319 - And a small picture on the website shows the train with the Pantograph Raised.

Peter

[k3v1n989a813]

No, it only proves you received a refund for the DLC.. I'm certainly not going to accuse you of having a ripped off copy of it, but I will ask you once again to be absolutely certain that you're selecting the right stock.
If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but you'll definitely have to provide more conclusive evidence.

Actually, that would be impossible, since DRM protection would mean that any refunded/ripped off addons would be completely unusable. I think that this is as about as conclusive as it gets, especially when I have proven that it would be impossible for me to use the BedPan version when I don't even own it.

[tango4262]

I noticed that straight away, hence why I said "Aswell"

Well, you can't have a prize as an objection has been raised in relation to the running of the "competition"
If we ever resolve it though, we'll sort something out...Do you have the original 319 by the way?

I have the MML one and the stand alone, which brings me to a question, when making a scenario for the Brighton-Bedford route is there a way to lower/raise the AI pantographs? I have the AP enhancement if that makes any difference.

[gptech]

And a small picture on the website shows the train with the Pantograph Raised.

As it will be if it's the player train---it's when used as AI that we (I) have bother.

The difference is you have set the two trains up differently.

Please explain. You show me how to do it right and I'll give it a go. If you mean the panto end of the MSO should be towards the centre of the train, it makes no difference. You have the unit, just knock up a standard scenario with it as AI, no need to create a player train.

especially when I have proven that it would be impossible for me to use the BedPan version when I don't even own it.

Extract the .bin files for the default MSO from the .ap archive, doesn't matter where to, and open it with RW Tools. See what that gives in the descriptive fields-- the standalone vehicle has the entries
"Class 319 MSO FCC (OHE)",and "Class 319 MSO FCC (3rd Rail)", not "Thameslink".
Once again, are you looking in the QD section? you may have QD consists or fragments still present.

[rosschris10]

I noticed that straight away, hence why I said "Aswell"

Well, you can't have a prize as an objection has been raised in relation to the running of the "competition"
If we ever resolve it though, we'll sort something out...Do you have the original 319 by the way?

I have the MML one and the stand alone, which brings me to a question, when making a scenario for the Brighton-Bedford route is there a way to lower/raise the AI pantographs? I have the AP enhancement if that makes any difference.

Sadly no the game does detect whenever a aintrain enter s a 3rd rail or OHLE section of track so it won't happen. Despite the AP "enhancement pack" features

[749006]

And a small picture on the website shows the train with the Pantograph Raised.

As it will be if it's the player train---it's when used as AI that we (I) have bother.

But you get that with trains running as AI - the FCC 377 runs pantographs down on this route - the 395 runs pantos down when AI

The difference is you have set the two trains up differently.

Please explain. You show me how to do it right and I'll give it a go.

There are two versions of the 319 MSO, Class 319 MSO FCC (3rd Rail) & Class 319 MSO FCC (OHE) is what the game calls them.
I might be wrong but if you select the 3rd Rail version it will not raise the pantograph when under AC wires as an AI train.

[gptech]

But you get that with trains running as AI

Which is what I've been saying all along!!...if you now agree that the standalone 319 follows suit and the panto is down on AI services it switches attention to why the MML version bucks that trend--or at least for me.

I might be wrong but if you select the 3rd Rail version it will not raise the pantograph when under AC wires as an AI train.

No your absolutely spot on, the DC version has the call for the animation crippled (if I remember rightly from the long thread about the unit when it was released) so I've been careful to use the AC version.

Class 319 MSO FCC (3rd Rail) & Class 319 MSO FCC (OHE) is what the game calls them.

As I've pointed out---not "Thameslink"

Kevin, the descriptive name you've provided screenshots of may be from the QD consist .bin file, which would explain that bone of contention so once again could you try it as AI in a Standard scenario?
This might be a silly question, but the screenshots you've posted were of AI services and not the player train?

[k3v1n989a813]

the standalone vehicle has the entries
"Class 319 MSO FCC (OHE)",and "Class 319 MSO FCC (3rd Rail)", not "Thameslink".
Once again, are you looking in the QD section? you may have QD consists or fragments still present.

I've extracted the bin files into a folder and it definitely says "Class 319 MSO FCC (OHE)" as shown here


I do have some QD files but these are once again from the Richard Fletcher's Northern Rail reskin.

I'd like to point out that I've taken the previous screenshots going into a QD scenario, which means that these are player trains.