JT BR Standard 5MT - OUT NOW

[michaelhendle]

Hi
As just trains have done such excellent jobs with their BR Std's could they sometime in the future consider doing both versions of the 9F,the Capproti looks so different,with chimney at the side of the boiler,also could they consider a Std 3 in the future
Thankyou Just Trains for your excellent steam locomotives
Mike

[deltic009]

Hi
As just trains have done such excellent jobs with their BR Std's could they sometime in the future consider doing both versions of the 9F,the Capproti looks so different,with chimney at the side of the boiler,also could they consider a Std 3 in the future
Thankyou Just Trains for your excellent steam locomotives
Mike

I would love that too, but the the version available through Steam may put them off in terms of projected sales. Never say never thought.

[engineerbj]

Hey Chris,
That's brilliant response. And glad you could quickly ascertain related issues. It's true it helps you can be staring at the same item for ages and notice nothing. Walk away and come back later and it's so easy to spot them

Loved slogging this up washford with 7 and plenty of steam to spare. I am not very experienced in this department so can't comment with confidence, what's the braking performance like? I ask as rolling into Crowcombe at 15~20. Applying the brakes in good time at bring them down to about 15psi which seems standard for slowing down. The train overshot the platform by a good couple of coaches and required me to bring the pressure below 10psi.

I have heard there is some type of tender bug in the Simulator somewhere, that affected braking. Not sure if this applicable here. At the time I was using the mk1's from Digital Traction

You have to put the brakes on a bit harder with the JustTrains Advanced steamers, they've been scripted to have a realistic strength and performance to toe in line with what real vacuum brakes are like. The default braking systems in TS2015/Railworks, both air and vacuum, are a skosh overpowered and quicker than the real thing, presumably to make things easier for newbies who aren't used to running a train.

Anyway, a good rule of thumb to have with the realistic vacuum brake is to bring it down to 18-17 inches to "set" the brakes and run the slack out in the train for your initial "trim" application when you're getting ready to stop, 15 inches is a "service" application to bring the speed down for your stop, although if you've got a heavy train or you need to stop a bit quicker, bring the needle down more to 10 inches for a "full service". The key is to bring to needle down gradually and smoothly so as not to jerk the passengers, and right before you come to a complete stop, you need to ease up on the brake a little to keep the train from jerking abruptly when it comes to a halt. The trick is to be nice and smooth while still putting on enough stopping power to keep from running past the platform, or worse a red signal..

I always equate making a station stop to being like making a 3-point landing in an airplane, difficult to master, but when you get it right it certainly pays off.

[driverden]

Wow yesterday I apparently created a new record for this type of loco by reaching 100mph speed, a message flashed up informing me of this. I wonder if it's that rare?

[anthonye]

Just driving 73096 on the WCML scenario that comes with the 5MT and the chuffing sound disappears between 48mph and 60mph. Returns after 60mph. Anyone notice this ?

I noticed that too on the Riviera scenario.

David.

Hi guys,

This was reported by a few people yesterday and after investigation, it was found that the chuff audio file was a bit disorganised with relation to the audio loop triggers and volume settings. I'm fairly sure it wasn't always like that during development but there you go. Rest assured, the head developer looked into it himself yesterday and I believe he's fixed it, but we will be double checking that all reported bugs are actually fixed before releasing an update that I imagine will be out next week.

Fantastic selection of routes / scenarios!

Been looking forward to the 5. Will have to purchase

Thanks! I hope you'll enjoy it.

Kind regards
Chris

Hi Chris
Will the patch be this week regarding the very minor things.
I say minor because the loco is brilliant.....
Anthony

[kirkheath]

Hey Chris,
That's brilliant response. And glad you could quickly ascertain related issues. It's true it helps you can be staring at the same item for ages and notice nothing. Walk away and come back later and it's so easy to spot them

Loved slogging this up washford with 7 and plenty of steam to spare. I am not very experienced in this department so can't comment with confidence, what's the braking performance like? I ask as rolling into Crowcombe at 15~20. Applying the brakes in good time at bring them down to about 15psi which seems standard for slowing down. The train overshot the platform by a good couple of coaches and required me to bring the pressure below 10psi.

I have heard there is some type of tender bug in the Simulator somewhere, that affected braking. Not sure if this applicable here. At the time I was using the mk1's from Digital Traction

You have to put the brakes on a bit harder with the JustTrains Advanced steamers, they've been scripted to have a realistic strength and performance to toe in line with what real vacuum brakes are like. The default braking systems in TS2015/Railworks, both air and vacuum, are a skosh overpowered and quicker than the real thing, presumably to make things easier for newbies who aren't used to running a train.

Anyway, a good rule of thumb to have with the realistic vacuum brake is to bring it down to 18-17 inches to "set" the brakes and run the slack out in the train for your initial "trim" application when you're getting ready to stop, 15 inches is a "service" application to bring the speed down for your stop, although if you've got a heavy train or you need to stop a bit quicker, bring the needle down more to 10 inches for a "full service". The key is to bring to needle down gradually and smoothly so as not to jerk the passengers, and right before you come to a complete stop, you need to ease up on the brake a little to keep the train from jerking abruptly when it comes to a halt. The trick is to be nice and smooth while still putting on enough stopping power to keep from running past the platform, or worse a red signal..

I always equate making a station stop to being like making a 3-point landing in an airplane, difficult to master, but when you get it right it certainly pays off.

Ah nice, makes sense! I did make a good couple of really good stops, and improving. I leave the ejector open too and micro adjust the brakes as learning it's better to be stopping with the brake releasing as it's a smoother gradual stop rather than lurching - like you said. Just means more excuses to keep doing the section from Bishops lydeard - Crowcombe

[ChrisBarnes]

Hi Chris
Will the patch be this week regarding the very minor things.
I say minor because the loco is brilliant.....
Anthony

Hi Anthony, thanks for asking. To update everyone on where we are with the patch, a service pack was compiled on Wednesday evening and was tested yesterday. Most of the bugs were correctly fixed but not all, so it was rejected and the remaining bugs were fixed to make a new service pack, which will be tested today. One or two model related issues, such as the early cab not rendering in the cab view, will not be fixed for the service pack as far as I know, because Sod's law intervened on Tuesday and the modeller's 2010 version of max failed, which means all models now need to be updated from old Kuju Materials to newer RailSim Materials in max 2015. Thankfully a few model issues were fixed before the failure but not all.

So, the plan as I see it is to get the service pack out asap to fix the primary bugs reported, and then next week role out an update that will add Rivierra water trough support to the feature list, and hopefully tie up the outstanding model issues.

Kind regards,
Chris

[tnleeuw01]

Thanks for the comprehensive update!

[anthonye]

Ok Chris, thanks.

Anthony

[arabianights]

JT BR5MT – The Scotch Explorer Part 2
Duration 150 minutes
Drive 73096 in Part 2 of the Scotch Explorer from Edinburgh to Kings Cross as far as Newcastle. You will make a short stop at Crag Mill loop en-route.

Anyone else have the scenario crash on them when approaching Craig Mill due to an AI collision?

[OliRC]

JT BR5MT – The Scotch Explorer Part 2
Duration 150 minutes
Drive 73096 in Part 2 of the Scotch Explorer from Edinburgh to Kings Cross as far as Newcastle. You will make a short stop at Crag Mill loop en-route.

Anyone else have the scenario crash on them when approaching Craig Mill due to an AI collision?

I've just had this happen to me. About half way down the loop, bringing my speed down, and got an AI derailment message. Can't remember which train was involved, but seem to recall it was an early morning service from Kings Cross.

[anthonye]

I just saw that JT have released a small patch for the 5mt, you need to uninstall it then re download it again to install latest version.

Anthony

[anthonye]

Just tried it, cab view is better now can see the vacuum gauge better.

Sounds no different here, still silent chuffs between about 50 to 60mph, comes back at 60mph though.

Anthony

[engineerbj]

Ah nice, makes sense! I did make a good couple of really good stops, and improving. I leave the ejector open too and micro adjust the brakes as learning it's better to be stopping with the brake releasing as it's a smoother gradual stop rather than lurching - like you said. Just means more excuses to keep doing the section from Bishops lydeard - Crowcombe

You're really supposed to have an ejector on all the time when you're moving anyway, it maintains the vacuum cylinder and train pipe vacuum pressure so the brakes don't start coming on by themselves as air leaks into the system and erodes the vacuum in the train pipe. No seal, no matter how good, is perfect, so there's always little leaks here and there in the old-style vacuum brake system. The nice bit about all of this if there is a problem, say the train has parted in two, the system is fail-safe and the brakes slam hard on and everything stops.

This can work against you, say by the boiler pressure dropping too low to work the ejectors and the whole lot coming to a stand because the vacuum has died away, or if a rock punches a hole in one of the hoses, you're going to have to get something to mend it with, say some newspaper and bootlaces, before you can get the brakes off again and get the train into the next station or the next yard so the faulty car can be taken off and the journey can continue.

Anyway, me prattling on over with, have a watch at some flootplate ride and "driving a steam locomotive" videos on Youtube from places like the North Yorkshire Moors, and have a gander at the brake gauges when the driver's stopping the train if you can, you'll see the driver has to keep bringing the needle down where he/she wants it with the vacuum brake since the ejector's on and working, it's supposed to act like that and hence with the JustTrains advanced steamers do it.
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So, a minor fix was released, but still no joy for the sound problem? I didn't have any trouble with the cab views or any of that, but I would like to know when the patch is released with the sound working properly from 48mph to 60mph. So does that mean I have to re-download the whole thing from Just Trains? Or can I just download the patches? And will this affect any of my scenarios that have the 5MT in it already?

Cheers Lads,
Brendan O.

[kirkheath]

So, a minor fix was released, but still no joy for the sound problem? I didn't have any trouble with the cab views or any of that, but I would like to know when the patch is released with the sound working properly from 48mph to 60mph. So does that mean I have to re-download the whole thing from Just Trains? Or can I just download the patches? And will this affect any of my scenarios that have the 5MT in it already?

Cheers Lads,
Brendan O.

Yeah I knew about all of that, I meant strictly putting the method into practice.

Regarding the update, indeed to prevent any overwriting or file confliction errors. Fully uninstall the Add on first. The re-download and install it from JT website