DTG Class 442 Wessex

[jetstream]

Has anyone else observed how the windows, nicely dark-tinted as the train passes the lineside camera, all turn 'bright', in sequence as the train passes a point approx 200m past the camera point? The rear cab goes 'bright' too.

[DaveDewhurst]

yeah, the LOD needs increasing on the glass.
200 does seem quite short and unlike any other recent addon, possibly a typo that didn't get noticed?

Dave

[37114]

Has it got driver vigilance?

[dan5324]

Wow! Call me a bit of a party pooper but imo this model is pretty bad, and one of the worst DTG has put out in a while. Atrocious sounds, bizarre physic which seems like they have been copied from a 444 desiro! No vigilance device, and an inaccurate interior. Definitely one for the sales, if you can wait. Regret paying £11.99 for it as its just not worth it, in its current form. Just my 2 cents of course.

[dan5324]

Has it got driver vigilance?

Nope.

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[nukem]

Has it got driver vigilance?

There is no vigilance on it from what I can see, no mention of it in the manual and when I try the usual means of activating nothing happens so one would presume it's not been added.

[dan5324]

There is no vigilance device i'm afraid. All in all being honest, i'm pretty disappointed in this unit. In fact, very disappointed.

[37114]

Very disappointing. How could they miss that off?

[nukem]

Very disappointing. How could they miss that off?

Not too sure, I am quite disappointed in the whole package if I'm honest....I think the base model looks superb but there are a few minor things that spoil this impressive unit.

[jetstream]

yeah, the LOD needs increasing on the glass.
200 does seem quite short and unlike any other recent addon, possibly a typo that didn't get noticed?

Dave

Where would this correction be made?

[dp123]

Maybe the 442 doesn't have Vigilance fitted in real life? Not all trains, especially older ones which don't always have it retrofitted during overhauls/refurbishments, have it. Older offerings can still have the old DSD pedal, which just needs to be constantly depressed rather than reset occasionally.

It's a pretty good offering, in my opinion, considering DTG often misses the mark. Yes, the sounds aren't genuine. They're not a bad effort to be honest, it sounds like an old DC unit (which it is really, the control gear and traction motors are ex 4-REP). The horn is off the 455, but now looped so it can be sounded constantly, which by itself is pretty well done (it doesn't actually sound like a 442 horn though). I'd agree that camshaft control simulation and having the brake changeover switch work would be nice, but it's not a deal breaker. Bit quick on the old acceleration, especially at the top end, could do with reigning in a wee bit. As remarked, the window LOD needs extending a bit.

The model is good, and I admit I've spent far too much time in the "passenger" view for someone normally rigidly fixed in camera position 1. It's a headout position in the guards van, as a guard would be when seeing the train off from a platform. Yes, the AWS is audible in this view!

Just a few rough edges, but really nothing major. Lovely looking model, and a very welcome addition to the game.

[DaveDewhurst]

yeah, the LOD needs increasing on the glass.
200 does seem quite short and unlike any other recent addon, possibly a typo that didn't get noticed?

Dave

Where would this correction be made?

In the 3d source model,
although RWTools has got an option for changing LODs but I cant remember what its function is for.

Dave

[37114]

Maybe the 442 doesn't have Vigilance fitted in real life?

Fitted as standard by the late 80's when these were built.

[nukem]

Maybe the 442 doesn't have Vigilance fitted in real life? Not all trains, especially older ones which don't always have it retrofitted during overhauls/refurbishments, have it. Older offerings can still have the old DSD pedal, which just needs to be constantly depressed rather than reset occasionally.

It's a pretty good offering, in my opinion, considering DTG often misses the mark. Yes, the sounds aren't genuine. They're not a bad effort to be honest, it sounds like an old DC unit (which it is really, the control gear and traction motors are ex 4-REP). The horn is off the 455, but now looped so it can be sounded constantly, which by itself is pretty well done (it doesn't actually sound like a 442 horn though). I'd agree that camshaft control simulation and having the brake changeover switch work would be nice, but it's not a deal breaker. Bit quick on the old acceleration, especially at the top end, could do with reigning in a wee bit. As remarked, the window LOD needs extending a bit.

The model is good, and I admit I've spent far too much time in the "passenger" view for someone normally rigidly fixed in camera position 1. It's a headout position in the guards van, as a guard would be when seeing the train off from a platform. Yes, the AWS is audible in this view!

Just a few rough edges, but really nothing major. Lovely looking model, and a very welcome addition to the game.

The class 442 does have vigilance in real life as I've driven them, and I agree not every older EMU has one, the 455 being one unit that doesn't have vigilance. I think the overall model is well done, the difference in the leading door of the driving carriages can be overlooked in my eyes as it's not a noticeable issue, I personally think the sounds could be improved a lot the motors are far too loud when in the driving cab as if you are sat on top of them when in reality they are on the middle carriage in the formation, the compressors are again the wrong sound which I can live with but they come on too frequently, the brake controller is too sensitive and as said doesn't work properly but again I can live with this to a point, if it has been modelled into the sim and time taken to make it work then why not spend the time to get it working as per the real units? The sound of the bogies over jointed rail sounds like Mark one bogies which is correct for say a class 411, 414, 421 & 423 but not for the 442. The camshaft control is slightly different for the 442 so I'm not overly bothered about that as there is a Weakfield camshaft in them unlike other units (EPB and 455 etc) but the physics need a little adjustment as I feel the unit takes off too quickly and as previously stated the head lights are far too bright.

I agree a few rough edges but for me its undrivable as it is because the small issues cause me to loose interesting driving this otherwise lovely unit.