Driver changes not possible?

[tubemad]

Hello all,

Sorry another TS2015 issue I'm having , but I'm sure like the others it could be resolved (never resolved the moving driver icon, I just did it the classic way, I'm used to it either case having done it a few times before!)

Anyway the subject is about starting a scenario without a driver. These Timetabled Scenario's are very handy for simulating driver changes, and I have something similar set up for a scenario, only coming round to testing it, I noticed I couldn't even test it as it was nowhere in the scenario list, not Free Roam, Standard nor Career. Odd I thought, so I went in to build mode, clicked the play button then exited, (scenario signals don't usually work in test mode) which took me back to the analyzer screen where I clicked 'replay scenario' so I could play it. I got so far and had to save and exit. I've realized now I can't pick up my save!

I wondered if it was the scenario, so I checked my scenario I uploaded onto UKTS, driving a Class 90 to London non stop from Ipswich, whereby you start at Ipswich and take over from the driver from Norwich. I noticed this is no longer in the scenario list either, and I can only play it by editing it first.

Looks like this might be no longer possible unless there's something RW Tools could help with? I'm not scrapping the scenario as it took blooming ages to do, if there is no work around I'll put in the manual that to play the scenario, you'll need to go via the scenario editor for the replay button, just don't save!

[gptech]

I'm not a scenario creator, but by coincidence have been editing scenarios from the *old* freeware Port Road to work on the *full* version. Some of these are the 'initially no driven train' ones which have all shown in the 'Standard Scenario' listing for playing. I've even had a go at the 'dragging the driver icon over' with no bother so I'm wondering if both your issues here are connected.
(I haven't tried resuming from a save, so can't say much about that) From the replies in your thread about the driver dragging feature, it seems that others have no bother too so it's likely to be a wee glich in your set up.
Have you made all RailWorks files Read/Write with RW Tools? -- many odd file problems are down to the User Account not having the required permissions to change things so that would be the first thing I'd check.
What's the UKTS number of the class 90 one?, I'll see how that behaves on my system.

[tubemad]

That would be a great help if you could see if it works mate, the file is this one:

1P15 07:40 Norwich - London Liverpool Street [167862 bytes] - 1P15 0740 Norwich - Liverpool Street.zip File ID: 33301 Date: 08 Sep 2014 - 494 Downloads

If you could let me know, it would be very useful. In TS2014 this came under 'Standard'. If you can find it, I may need to do a file update/cache thingy, I don't think there is any filters in the TS2015 I'm missing where it could be hiding. I have no Class 90 scenarios at all under 'Standard' for the GEML (mine was the only one I had in the category anyway)

[gptech]

Downloaded and installed, and it shows in the 'Standard Scenario' listing straight away.
That adds credence to the theory that your installation is a wee bit 'iffy', but could also mean that mine is slightly 'askew' and the fact it shows straight away is down to some quirk in my setup. Before saying yours is *wrong* we really need somebody else to install it and see how their system behaves, so I'd hold off the verify. and the resultant re-tweaking it involves, until absolutely necessary.
If there's a slight permissions mis-match on your installation then no amount of verifies is guaranteed to fix things; that's a system configuration issue more than anything to do with the game.
Run the 'Make all Railworks files Read/Write' routine in RW Tools, log on using an Administrative account, start Stem up, then use Windows Explorer to find RailWorks.exe and right click it. Choose 'Run as Admin' and see if that makes any difference.

[tubemad]

Make all file Read/Write = Done
Make Railworks.exe 'run as admin' = Done

Still no Class 90 or 377 scenario I've done with a driver change start appearing in the scenario list. I've done a verify files afterwards either case but still no difference.

Funny thing is, the Steam shortcut to programs in the start menu reads 'Train Simulator 2014', I've been using that too (which starts up TS2015) but using the Railworks.exe makes no odds either case.
I believe people also got the new menu change before TS2015 itself was released, even though I was signed into Steam, I didn't get any of that just still had the old menu.

The moving driver problem I had does work, it doesn't seem to work at Norwood still where I tried it in the first place, but when I was building something else at Victoria I tried it there and the driver icon moved to the other train.

[gptech]

Very strange, and I have to admit I've run out of ideas now. The scenario shows in the 'Build' menu so obviously the game can read the ScenarioProperties.xml file which means there should be no reason to prevent it showing anywhere else.

[trainsmit]

Since we should be able to edit a currently undrivable scenario - to fix it - there could be reasons why such a scenario could be otherwise invisible in driver menues. Right!

Thanks for the hint on how to move drivers between locos, BTW.

Make another scenario for the same route and loco, name it to a appear later in the list and check if it is visible. Let us know if it is.

The scenario editor is still not quite precise in pointing out timetable trouble, but most of my career drives eventually becomes drivable. The dispatch function have difficulties when AI trains catch up and conflicting routes along the way.

What did Holmes say? The plot sickens?

Try to borrow a real TT planner åackage from Network Rail to verify your tt before running it. Or failing that, build your own little tt-sim in a Libra Office spreasheet. Be sure to begin and finish all train movement at portals or otherwise unused sidings. If you think TS2015 is a mess, you should see, what the real trainies must cope with

[tubemad]

Well even a fully working scenario doesn't appear, the Class 90 one I wrote I mentioned doesn't appear but it 100% works. The one I'm trying to load I'm unsure of, but it's all based off real time trains anyway including the actual delay times, and I'm only doing a timing test run having only added about 5 AI trains anyway.

I would say maybe more of the problem is that it can't find it if there's no driver, both these scenario's I've done are timetabled scenario's, but if the Class 90 scenario is showing up for someone else, I should see it too in theory.

I don't know, It's just easier if I start in the cab of the 377. I got it so that the 377 came into Brighton and you walk up to the other end to take the train out of Brighton. Nice idea, but I think I'll just skip that bit!

[gptech]

The scenario you're surrently testing; was it originally written in TS2014?
It should make no odds either way, but it might be worthwhile to just knock another simple one together, noting down exactly how/what you did and posting that so others could try and replicate the problem.