Class 91 and Class 92 Progress

[JackRyan]

Sorry Ben Laws, where did I get Yates from...

Ant

This is an 'in house' job by an RSC staff member, Ben took his version with him when he left. I do wonder if they'll include the 91/1's with the refurbished front end design. As much as I love the original design, it would make the privatised repaints a lot easier to make (if some aren't included) without having to create child objects for the light covers.

Kev

I'm afraid that you are too much optimistic. Considering RSC's latests releases and the fact that it's advertised as "InterCity class 91", I doubt that we'll see more than one livery. I would be happy to see the contrary however.

[Irishrailguy]

Sorry Ben Laws, where did I get Yates from...

Ant

This is an 'in house' job by an RSC staff member, Ben took his version with him when he left. I do wonder if they'll include the 91/1's with the refurbished front end design. As much as I love the original design, it would make the privatised repaints a lot easier to make (if some aren't included) without having to create child objects for the light covers.

Kev

I'm afraid that you are too much optimistic. Considering RSC's latests releases and the fact that it's advertised as "InterCity class 91", I doubt that we'll see more than one livery. I would be happy to see the contrary however.

Well it's not the case that I'm sure that RSC will put the other liveries and the 91/1 in, but I don't believe in assumption by trends that they are going to follow the usual business model. Given that they have revealed plans to update old material through Adam's new quality control team, some things are changing at RSC so there's no reason to assume the worst outcome...

As for the 92, there's been progress on that too...
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Kev

[rfletcher72]

As for the 92, there's been progress on that too...
https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 5048_o.jpg

Is that a new wagon I see?

Regards,

[xguerra]

Can't tell Richard, could be some new FSA flats?

[rfletcher72]

Can't tell Richard, could be some new FSA flats?

Thanks Xavier, looks like it is new, the consensus on Facebook is that it is a Megafret,

Cheers,

Richard

[xguerra]

Can't tell Richard, could be some new FSA flats?

Thanks Xavier, looks like it is new, the consensus on Facebook is that it is a Megafret,

Cheers,

Richard

Megafret would make sense actually.

[37114]

Can't tell Richard, could be some new FSA flats?

Looks very good and those containers do look interesting. Let's hope it's got advanced controls. They put them on all the German stuff after all.

[david1]

Happy memories sat on a brute trolley when I was a kid at York station listening to the traction motors coming on tap. Raw power

Raw power at York station had to be a Deltic, as i stood next them every bone in my body vibrated to the power of the twin Napier Deltic engines, but that was before your time and i am showing my age, but getting back to the 91 yes it is a great engine and can not wait to add this to my collection

[37114]

Happy memories sat on a brute trolley when I was a kid at York station listening to the traction motors coming on tap. Raw power

Raw power at York station had to be a Deltic, as i stood next them every bone in my body vibrated to the power of the twin Napier Deltic engines, but that was before your time and i am showing my age, but getting back to the 91 yes it is a great engine and can not wait to add this to my collection

If this was Facebook I'd 'like' that! But ye you're showing your age. I'm in my 40's and Deltics are before my time!

[gptech]

Raw power at York station had to be a Deltic, as i stood next them every bone in my body vibrated to the power of the twin Napier Deltic engines

You should have gone to Leeds; as the stations basically built on a bridge it seemed like the whole world was shaking. (Yes, I'm old too )

[holzroller]

Raw power at York station had to be a Deltic, as i stood next them every bone in my body vibrated to the power of the twin Napier Deltic engines

You should have gone to Leeds; as the stations basically built on a bridge it seemed like the whole world was shaking. (Yes, I'm old too )

Or Waverley, which is basically largely built in a giant roofed over cutting, you always knew when one was in the station. Remember cabbing one and being allowed to start it up, happy days

Back on topic I will be happy to see the 91 and IC is the livery for me, but I do remember my first trip on a MKIV being shocked at the poor quality of the original interior compared to the MK3's. Have some pics somewhere of a 91 in a loop with a test train before they were introduced into service. Think it was in the stoke bank area. Might make for an interesting scenario when creative release the modern version of their ECML. Wonder if it will work with the HST's, another interesting possibility, for those who don't know the 91's originally ran with HST sets, with a single modified HST power car on the rear, also providing traction (the origin of the HST buffer power cars)

[rfletcher72]

Back on topic I will be happy to see the 91 and IC is the livery for me, but I do remember my first trip on a MKIV being shocked at the poor quality of the original interior compared to the MK3's. Have some pics somewhere of a 91 in a loop with a test train before they were introduced into service. Think it was in the stoke bank area. Might make for an interesting scenario when creative release the modern version of their ECML. Wonder if it will work with the HST's, another interesting possibility, for those who don't know the 91's originally ran with HST sets, with a single modified HST power car on the rear, also providing traction (the origin of the HST buffer power cars)

I'll drink to that .

I too recall the dull grey interior of the Mk4's when new, even in first class (in the days when the 3rd coach, if there was one, was declassified at the weekend) - the seats were very hard indeed. Remember the test trains running through Donny, think they were booked Peterborough West Yard to Wrenthorpe at the time I am thinking of. Pre-DVT's they were formed often of a dedicated DB rake of mk2C FK's, or a rake of surplus mk3 sleepers, and the 91 would return south blunt end first.

Running the 91 with the surrogate HST DVT in TS excites me greatly, the combo didn't work in MSTS but given that an electric/diesel lash up does work in this sim, I am looking forward to it. The real life script for these was that the HST was there to provide electrical supply for the train (is this right?) and of course a cab, and as such it was supposed to remain at idle whilst out on the road. However, I do remember seeing these power up away from stops at Doncaster, and from what I have read since, it would seem that they did sometimes provide traction power in addition to the 91. I make that about 8500hp?

Thanks Holzroller for the great memory prompts .

Cheers,

Richard

[holzroller]

The HST's coaches need a 3 phase power supply, which was why the power car needed to run, but to the best of my knowledge they always provided extra traction, unless of course the chronic coolant problems kept the engine at idling. There was an excellent article about it in Modern Railways, and we sometimes got the buffers PC's up here in normal sets. I also hope to replicate this in TS, although physics may be an issue, we'll see when it's released.

[chriscooper]

The HST powercars were originally supposed to fast idle to provide the required 3 phase train supply for the Mk3 coaches (91s produce a standard single phase supply, allowing them to work with any loco hauled stock), but IIRC the engines did not like spending all day idling so it was decided to have them powering as normal. It also meant that the powercars could power the train if needed (if the 91 failed) and easily be used on normal HST formations without having to modify them to be able to provide traction power. The fact that in their original state the powercars could not move under their own power was the reason for the buffers being fitted at both ends.

[749006]

It also meant that the powercars could power the train if needed (if the 91 failed) and easily be used on normal HST formations without having to modify them to be able to provide traction power.

On a southbound Leeds - KGX we glided to the station stop at Grantham and the 91 was very quiet.
After a couple of extra mins whilst the driver looked at the loco we departed with the HST Power car doing all the work until we passed the next neutral section when the 91 burst back in to life.
An ontime arrival at KGX was noted.

Peter