Thanks Simon for giving me the opportunity to respond.
SouthernElectric wrote:gptech wrote:Yeah, nice idea though not exactly new--Marleyman tried to get something similar up and running a while back (
http://www.railworks.marleyman.co.uk/ra ... layer.html)
Might be worthwhile dropping him a line to see how it panned out, a 'pick his brains' kind of thing.
Certainly gptech, your first post in and the tone isn't exactly positive almost smacks to me of snearing at a member trying to think out of the box
I've read and re-read that initial post and I can see how it could be perceived as 'sneering', although I assure you that wasn't the intent. For my poor phrasing I apologise unreservedly but I can't apologise for the factual content. Unfortunately it's too late to go back and edit it (13 days have elapsed before anybody's said anything about it) but I'll re-write it here to try and redress things:
Yes, this is a splendid idea, I recall Marleyman tried to get something similar up and running a while back (
http://www.railworks.marleyman.co.uk/ra ... layer.html)
Might be worthwhile dropping him a line to see how it panned out, a 'pick his brains' kind of thing and possibly learn from his experience.
We can certainly agree about Tubemads post, very informative and a post I couldn't write as I have absolutely no experience with a VR setup.
I'll concur that there's nothing constructive in my second post, but you'll have to work harder to convince me that it in any way pours scorn on or belittles jimmy, his idea or yourself; even the first line is merely an observation that many would probably like to see RSC implement a more 'collaborative' style to multi-player. The only thing I could apologise for is (mistakenly?) thinking that the main focus of the thread was a discussion about what was possible and not fanciful thinking about what we'd like to see or wish for. If anything this post was an appeal for people to be realistic about what the game and jimmy can do--I'm well aware of the games limitations, and would say I have a fair inkling as to where jimmy can take things particularly as he has family committments and a finite ampount of time to devote to this.
The third post is the one that comes closest to 'having a dig at' anybody (but still well short of actually doing that), being aimed squarely at yourself in response to what I feel was rather a rude response to RichyV's post; a post which pointed out that there were members who appeared to be under the impression that jimmy's idea did involve wonderful interactive play with real-time 2D mapping. You seem to have read my previous post and Richy's as claiming/expecting more than both the game and jimmy can offer, whereas we both actually demonstrated that we understood this idea was purely an attempt to simulate real railway operations through rostering.
Neither of these two related posts by Richy or myself came close to breaching forum rules: no profanity, no name calling, no singling out a member for ridicule nor any snide 'off stage' comments along the lines of "..and we know what they'll do, don't we children?" These posts asked basically the same questions, which are still unanswered--not even a "We haven't fleshed out the idea to fully explain that yet, but as soon as we do it'll be posted here"
Now, moving on as you've elected to make it more personal...
SouthernElectric wrote:gptech you're spot on with you're opening gambit insomuch as that you're being argumentative, as a man who strives to pull people up when they are being negative about RSC you're doing a good job at being hypocritical. Your pulling apart this whole thread and nit picking the slightest fault in his use of English you can find.
It's clear to me and no doubt others what Jimmy means by the post you've quoted, it's not about multi-player it's about knowing what others are doing.This is the second reply i've penned, the first was made at 16:34 yesterday and disappeared into the moderated ether, i'm hoping this one makes it through.
Why not sit back and if this idea goes belly up then feel free to PM myself to tell me why it failed in your opinion.
Simon
There's no denying I'll 'defend' RSC when sensationalist or blown-up comments are posted, but by the same standard I've defended the support offered by Just Trains, Armstrong Powerhouse; defended Just Trains and Paul (the creator of Darlington-Bishop Aukland) in the furore after the initial release of that route; defended in the past couple of days the un-named (though I suspect it's a very much respected route builder/scenario creator/reskinner who used to frequent these forums but left, in part, because of the blinkered and unbending attitude of many members) Workshop Scenario creator who used class 455's around Glasgow to stand in for class 318's, which aren't available through Steam.
I deny most strongly that I've quoted jimmy in an attempt to find fault in HIS use of English, those quotes were to try an explain why/how some had been given the impression that jimmy's idea was much more than it actually is, and whilst it's clear to you and many others what jimmy is actually trying to do it seemingly wasn't/isn't for others. Rather than being hypocritical I'd claim I'm being consistent (obviously!! I will admit to a certain bias here) but here in Yorkshire we 'say as we see' and if I see injustice and unfair criticism I'll say my piece---OK this could be seen as a job for moderators but that's how I am.
When I read your comment about sitting back and sending a PM part of me smiled and started drafting that PM, but the greater part of me said "it won't fail, there's nothing wrong with the idea, there's enthusiasm and drive behind it" and I sincerely hope that is how it will pan out. Despite your's and jimmy's impression that I'm all out to throw spanners in every exposed part of the works I'm really on your side, I might ask awkward and seemingly dumb questions; I might argue seemingly trivial points, but one thing I will not do is 'rip the idea to bits' unless I can suggest a better idea.
Gary
, but yes--you're right so I propose that any further *discussion* between Simon and myself about our disagreement be taken to a private one to save the thread, and everybody else's patience and sanity.
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