Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

[Griphos]

That does look quite nice, doesn't it?! I'm very excited for this route!

[trainfan11111]

hmm am i the only one seeing what appears to be a bogie flat wagon in the siding in this screenshot? or am i imagining things? https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 5175_n.jpg

[Kiwisteam]

That looks like 92122 has been at work!

[ll22012]

Good morning,
I would like to answer to Carinthia.....I bought all add-ons from any productors......I understand that time and work is money,and I accept that.....I also pay to become a premium member on this site....because all informations from you (all members) are very instructives (and it is not my country).....and excuse me if I give some confuse in my topic (and for my bad English).....I am just afraid by the totaly price if we are obliged to buy the route and somme needed payware stocks.....to prevent that , i have pré-order the 0-6-0 from digitaltrains....it is very difficult to wait after a so very nice route..I hope sincerely that all not comes in the same time....
I wish you a pleasant day
jean-pierre

[ll22012]

good morning again,
Is there some body who knows when the beautiful route will be ready to buy
see you soon
jean-pierre

[crumplezone]

No dates of release have been forthcoming from RSC, but probably sometime in Feb or early March, from what they have been posting it looks to be in the final stages of testing before release.

[crumplezone]

Well sorry for double post, but can't edit last post, found this video posted I believe it was on RSC's page, its a silent film, but covers steam at Kingsmoor and Carlisle end which we are going to be able to utilise with the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-l01Vy7HA

By the way, can anyone tell from the video of those are Brits or Clan lines? I'm not up to buff on either engine's numbers unfortunately.

[ChrisBarnes]

I haven't seen all the video but the majority of them at the beginning are certainly Brittanias. You can identify between the 2 immediately,without knowing the numbers, because the Clans have considerably narrower barrels and taller chimneys and domes than the Brits. You can see the difference clearly at 0:48 with a Clan and Brit face to face.

Chris

[Rockdoc2174]

Britannias were 70000-70054 and the Clans were 72000-72009. The Clans were over 7 tons lighter, the boiler was smaller, with a noticeably larger chimney, and was only pressed to 225psi as opposed to the 250psi of their bigger cousins. The power classifications were 7P6F and 6P5F.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3552/3859 ... 1d6d_z.jpg
http://www.themodelcentre.co.uk/images/ ... /72004.jpg

Keith

[Carinthia]

Good morning,
I would like to answer to Carinthia.....I bought all add-ons from any productors......I understand that time and work is money,and I accept that.....I also pay to become a premium member on this site....because all informations from you (all members) are very instructives (and it is not my country).....and excuse me if I give some confuse in my topic (and for my bad English).....I am just afraid by the totaly price if we are obliged to buy the route and somme needed payware stocks.....to prevent that , i have pré-order the 0-6-0 from digitaltrains....it is very difficult to wait after a so very nice route..I hope sincerely that all not comes in the same time....
I wish you a pleasant day
jean-pierre

Hi Jean-Pierre and all,

The more I re-read what I wrote, the more I realise it doesn't really say what I meant to be saying at all. Crumplezone is quite right that it sounds a bit harsh. Again I apologise.

I really feel that this very long route will be fantastic value for money as it stands, and therefore anything extra thrown in with it will be a bonus. I'm not inclined to get too excited over a Black 5 as this comes with the S&D and maybe other routes which I already have. I gather there will be three weathered variations which, unless I have missed something in the past, indicates something new there. And the maroon coaches, of course. To be honest, if I would put anything on a wish list it would be for a maroon BSK. We'll see, but I'm not going to lose hair over it.

I have already marked in J-P's list what isn't relevant for the route and others have mentioned some free models that can be used too. I think J-P is like me in that I strive for 100% relevant locomotives but one can never achieve this as there is so much that has not been made for us . . . maybe one day. That being said, it should be remembered that the P&W route was really a quiet backwater - you would not be passing many trains in the other direction so a realistic scenario will not require a huge number of locomotives and trains. The section between Dumfries and Carlisle will be busier of course, and maybe some good scenarios can be made for that section alone.

As for the release date, it has been mentioned on this forum (somewhere) that the release date was put back from January to early February - how factual that is I couldn't say as finding reference to it isn't as simple as just looking at the RailSimulator.com web site. These days they spatter there information all over the place these days in blogs and social networks and it takes an eternity to find anything - maybe somebody else can confirm for you.

Best wishes to all,

John

[ll22012]

Good Morning
Thanks very much Crumplezone for your last vidéo......very nice...Does-it tne atmosphere of the route made by Keith Ross ? I have seen a beautiful crane,some 70000 steam ,except the conceptor that it is forbiden for me to speak about,could we find another models ?
I have seen also a class 101 or 111 ....but is there another diesel engine or not in 1960 ?
So it is a splendid atmosphere and I hope to find it in these futur route......and many thanks for all your searches.
Crumplezone,Carinthia,and all others, have a good day
Regards
jean-pierre

[kevpotts]

I haven't seen all the video but the majority of them at the beginning are certainly Brittanias. You can identify between the 2 immediately,without knowing the numbers, because the Clans have considerably narrower barrels and taller chimneys and domes than the Brits. You can see the difference clearly at 0:48 with a Clan and Brit face to face.

Chris

Please - Britannia...not "Brittania" !!!

[crumplezone]

Good Morning
Thanks very much Crumplezone for your last vidéo......very nice...Does-it tne atmosphere of the route made by Keith Ross ? I have seen a beautiful crane,some 70000 steam ,except the conceptor that it is forbiden for me to speak about,could we find another models ?
I have seen also a class 101 or 111 ....but is there another diesel engine or not in 1960 ?
So it is a splendid atmosphere and I hope to find it in these futur route......and many thanks for all your searches.
Crumplezone,Carinthia,and all others, have a good day
Regards
jean-pierre

I do think the video gives you a idea of what you could potentially create on Keith's creation as he has included the Kingsmoor TMD alongside Carlisle, you see we can use the video as a scenario source or example and also source material to give the shed/depot the correct feel and "busy" feel these large sheds would have in the 1960s. I would be pretty confident to say Keith has probably recreated it as close as possible but naturally it being a digital format he works with its not going to be 100% replication of 1960s real life Kingsmoor.

For the Brits and crane their currently isn't any alteratives, but the other locomotives shown we do have.

In the video I noticed:

Ivatt "mickey mouse" tanks - freeware
Ivatt 2MT - freeware
standard 2MT - Payware due soon
Brits - available payware elsehwere
Clans - no current model in railworks
Ivatt class 4 "Pig" - currently being converted from MSTS model
8F - payware
Standard 4/5 - No current model

So as you can see, out of those only 2 are not available so a Kingsmoor busy shed scene can be achieved, plus a busy carlisle to and we could easily substitute standard 4/5s with black 5sand the Clans weren't particularly in huge numbers.

Keith has given us alot of scope for The Port Road with having Carlisle and Kingsmoor added, instead of it just ending at the station he has effectively allowed scenario writers to feed in WCML N&S traffic, S&C traffic and potential Cockermouth Keswick and Penrith Railway traffic all feeding into this section and this is even before you go onto the rest of the Port Road route.

I'm really hoping RSC doesn't release this and then not do additional stock for it, as they have a decent selection of locomotives they could turn around quick and get out the door to compliment this route, as its been a really long time since we had a solid long run steam route with all the bells and whistles to actually make it feel steam era to and before anyone decides to correct me, yes we had woodhead, but primarily that is electric and we not had a true and proper 1950s or 60s steam era route, especially in the 80+ miles range on the payware scene for a very long time.

I'm starting to ponder weather or not RSC has actually redone the black 5, its got the new safety valve effect and probably has the smoke effects from the B1s/04s to, as noted by another poster I believe its got riverts on the buffer beam and some of the model does look sharper and more detailed. Granted child object detail parts can be added to existing models and the "illusion" of a 3D rivert be put onto textures but I'm not 100% convinced from screenshots its just a reskin effect thus far. Also noted earlier from my own post the black 5 has a buffer snowplow which you would see on alot of scottish assigned black 5s which looks to be either child object or a seperate black 5 as screenshots in summer/spring show no plow.

Kudos to RSC if they have redone the black 5 entirely, but equally good if its the base model retextured properly and added steam effects ontop, hopefully they also decided to ask Matt(92212) to put a soundset on them, since it would be abit of a shame if they gone to the effort to buff up the Black 5 and not done the sound to and they honestly have zero excuse to not ask him to have put a soundset together.

[bdy26]

The plough may be just a child object from the 4f pack. Suspect its the Woodhead version.

Looking forward to this one

B

[ChrisBarnes]

I haven't seen all the video but the majority of them at the beginning are certainly Brittanias. You can identify between the 2 immediately,without knowing the numbers, because the Clans have considerably narrower barrels and taller chimneys and domes than the Brits. You can see the difference clearly at 0:48 with a Clan and Brit face to face.

Chris

Please - Britannia...not "Brittania" !!!

Ah woops, sorry.

Chris