Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

[moose4675]

This was a Quote to someone on facebook from RSC -


Q. will the mentioned Black 5s be a new model or the original railsimulator one?


A. 'RailSimulator.com We will have some more news on the Black 5 and the rolling stock next week Richard.
about an hour ago ·'


Maybe there have been some tweaks to the Black 5, or maybe I am just too hopeful.

[Carinthia]

This was a Quote to someone on facebook from RSC -
Q. will the mentioned Black 5s be a new model or the original railsimulator one?
A. 'RailSimulator.com We will have some more news on the Black 5 and the rolling stock next week Richard.
about an hour ago ·'
Maybe there have been some tweaks to the Black 5, or maybe I am just too hopeful.

From http://www.engine-driver.com/2013/01/we ... lator.html
"The pack will come with Black 5 steam locomotives in three weathered variations, along with a selection of wagons and BR Maroon Mark 1 coaches."
Three weathered variations would mean some fresh variations on the livery but I see no reason to expect any variation in the base model.

John

[hammer07]

Just to add my thoughts on the matter:

Whilst i agree that the lack of new motive power with this route is a slight negative, i think it would be somewhat naive to forget the massive bonus of having the 30 or so miles of track from Dumfries to Carlisle included! Up until as recently as November we were told it would only stretch from Stranraer to Dumfries, therefore still being the completed 'Port Road'. Fortunately I, like many others have been gradually building up my roster of rolling stock to unleash on this work of art!

Hats off to Keith for persevering with this masterpiece of a project even after the WCML update fiasco, roll on February!

Regards,
George

[crumplezone]

I'm going to say safe bets are that the "varients" are the rusty black 5s which came with the black 5 scenario pack, which contray to popular belief weren't default since the beginning, said pack was withdrawn prior to TS2013.

While yes people were expecting additional stock, which is what RSC have been doing, it wouldn't have hurt them much to have provided something new alongside keith's work like they did with the 86 for WCML, Keith didn't create that loco but RSC did so its not really hard to come to the conclusion "oh RSC might include some new stock"and its not like RSC haven't know about the route being made and I'm quite sure they weren't suddenly asked to publish it out of no where.

You see the Black 5 isn't just a Black 5 on its own, there is two other varients of the class, the caprotti and the stephenson varients which could have been modelled, didn't have to be both, one or the other and they could have also done as a early pic showed, a snow plow to the front buffer since its scottish region. They also would fall quite short on making a excuse they couldn't get new sounds as they have hired Matt(92212) of these forums to do their O4 and B1 soundsets and its not like the UK has a shortage of working black 5s either if they wanted to get a new recording.

Colour me impressed if they show a new black 5 nextweek, but I ain't expecting anything above rain on window, firebox glow and a texture update to the default at this point and I'll wait for a Black 5 pack in the future.

[theorganist]

Hats off to Keith for persevering with this masterpiece of a project even after the WCML update fiasco, roll on February!

Here, here.

It certainly looks like it will be a fantastic route.

Thanks also to Carinthia and Levisham for the interesting insight into what locomotives would have been used on the route.

Hopefully RSC will bring a couple of those missing locos as separate add-ons at a later date as they did with the B1 and 04.

Peter.

[Griphos]

Well, I suspect I'll be swapping in the "new" Woodhead Dirty Black 5 that Brian and Matt have made available here. It's brilliant, and just about my favorite kettle to drive at the moment. I've been driving it all over the S&D and Woodhead and Granfield Branch. I'll be content without much new stock as long as we get scenarios that take full advantage of all the incredible freight possibilities of this masterwork. I can always pop in a Green Class 20 if I feel like driving a diesel without stretching credulity too much, I think.

[levisham]

Before I purchase the WL of S I will be cloning PR and deleting all of the diesel scenarios to take it back to it's original concept. 1965 only, as was the prototype.
I rest my case, m'lud!

Regards, Honest John.

[smarty2]

Would the O4 or the B1 be appropriate on the line? The Class 31 or 33?

I don't know about the 31s and 33s, but prototypical operations the O4s and B1s wouldn't have got over there since they were eastern region locos, it was a LMS region so mostly ex-LMS and standards were around on the route. The earlier era br green diesels may have appeared right at the end of the lines life, but it didn't go beyond the 70s as "The Port Road".

That's the beauty of the simulated world Crump, you can run whatever you want from whenever you want. I plan running the ##, JT's 20, 31, 47, 50, 37. 101 etc etc.

[crumplezone]

Would the O4 or the B1 be appropriate on the line? The Class 31 or 33?

I don't know about the 31s and 33s, but prototypical operations the O4s and B1s wouldn't have got over there since they were eastern region locos, it was a LMS region so mostly ex-LMS and standards were around on the route. The earlier era br green diesels may have appeared right at the end of the lines life, but it didn't go beyond the 70s as "The Port Road".

That's the beauty of the simulated world Crump, you can run whatever you want from whenever you want. I plan running the ##, JT's 20, 31, 47, 50, 37. 101 etc etc.

Aye thats perfectly fine, was just pointing out what generally would run and what region it was originally, tis not a issue really, for the most part its aimed at steam but its not a issue to run what you mentioned, most of them had green liveries anyway and headcode boxes so the era is fine all things considered and well if the route hadn't been closed you probably would have seen that traffic on it anyway.

Not saying "don't run them on this route, its not prototypical!" just mostly the two mentions steamers probably wouldn't have got near the area since they were mostly assigned to the eastern and pennine regions, the odd one may have got there by some odd quirk or shed shuffle mind you. Not really one of those people who get bent out of shape over engines being region specific anyway.

From the other posts in this thread, its clear we got plenty of steamers we could run on the route and we do have plenty of them now available be it payware or freeware, so scenario wise the port road can benefit for quite abit of various stock movements and various different consists so it should be interesting to see what type of scenarios pop up in the library.

[smarty2]

Indeed, I may even be tempted to fire up a 4MT? Especially if that soundpack comes out?

[marcusboon]

A 4MT 2-6-4t Standard tank would be prototypical, at least in the final years of the Port Road. The film 'The Port Road' form the Scottish Screen Archive ( http://ssa.nls.uk/film.cfm?fid=3696 ) gives a good impression of the line from a train hauled by a 4MT tank. This film from 1965 also shows (briefly) the other regulars at the time: Black Five, Standard 4MT 2-6-0 and Standard 2MT 2-6-0 locos, plus a (Swindon?) DMU at Stranraer and diesel shunters at Stranraer and Dumfries.

Highly recommended!

Marcus

[Carinthia]

A 4MT 2-6-4t Standard tank would be prototypical, at least in the final years of the Port Road. The film 'The Port Road' form the Scottish Screen Archive ( http://ssa.nls.uk/film.cfm?fid=3696 ) gives a good impression of the line from a train hauled by a 4MT tank. This film from 1965 also shows (briefly) the other regulars at the time: Black Five, Standard 4MT 2-6-0 and Standard 2MT 2-6-0 locos, plus a (Swindon?) DMU at Stranraer and diesel shunters at Stranraer and Dumfries.

The train in that film is hauled by a 4MT 2-6-0 tender loco but there is a glimpse of what looks like a 2-6-4T on a train in the opposite direction at Loch Fyne. I'm actually quite surprised a tank engine worked so far - it must surely had to coal up for each run.

John

[1S811985]

The only pics I've ever seen of the Portpatrick Railway have all been steam and in almost all of those featuring regular service trains there was a black five in charge.

For example: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/location.php? ... %20Stewart (Have fun looking around this site btw, a proper mine of information.)

Given the early 1960's setting for this release it's a shame, though perfectly understandable, that the Whithorn branch is apparently not being included, after all it lasted until the autumn of 1964.

Dont often boil up a kettle myself, and when I do it's for a potter around in a small tank, but I'm set on having a proper go with this route. So I'm hoping that the weathered versions of the black five are new, or at the very least re-worked up to the latest spec, and not just the ones I picked up what now seems like an age ago in the scenario pack.

1S81

[crumplezone]

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[marcusboon]

While the Kirkcudbright trains from Dumfries would likely be mostly hauled by 'big' tank engines (ex-LMS and later BR Standard 2-6-4T's), it would seem from photographs that tender engines were also used and would run tender-first back to Dumfries.

On the 'main line', the 73 miles from Stranraer to Dumfries, trains could also be hauled by tank-engines, at least I have seen a few photographs of Standard tanks on such duties. Longer runs by tank engines were not unusual: on the Somerset & Dorset (71,5 miles) the standards were employed on Bath-Bournemouth trains during the final years of the line. In short, anything seems to have been possible.

In think we have most of the engines needed to run the daytime trains that ran on the line in the sixties. I would love to see a Class 4 standard mogul (Stainmore anyone?) and a 'Clan', but I will not complain...

A few questions remain however: were ex-LMS 'Crabs" ever used on the line? And what engines would Kingmoor shed use when a ´Clan´ was not available?

Marcus