Settle to Carlisle

[T163RN3TW0RK]

Hi,

I am planning to buy a DLC, and I think I am going to get the Settle to Carlisle line. But before buying it, I'd like to have the opinion of people who have this line. On which points is it good, and what are its weak spots ?

Thanks

[Rockdoc2174]

For:- The modelling work is very good throughout, with much of it produced new for the route, and it runs with reasonable frame-rates. You get versions of the Class 66, a dmu (Class 158 I think) and a preserved Jubilee, Leander, and some rolling-stock. The scenarios aren't too bad, though I can't get the loco and wagon to couple in Left Behind.

Against:- Being set close to today,there are few opportunities to run traffic to and from destinations along the route so you're largely stuck with end-to-end runs. The line starts at Carlisle Station and ends at Settle Junction, just south of Settle Station. That means any trains starting from or beginning at the southern end can't interact with other services, as they would if, like Jetgriff's S&Cv7, the southern terminus had been set at Skipton.

Keith

[jimmyshand]

Top quality route but gets a bit boring after you've run it a few times due to limited scope and point to point run only. It is a classic and famous UK route however, so well worth having for that reason alone

[pilot37]

+++ Good detail and high quality, loads quickly. Some good climbs and nice viaducts.

--- Not very gritty (all neat tidy and clean like a toy model). Not a lot of activities to perform, just running from one end to the other (with Carlise at one end and nowhere at the other), so quickly gets boring and as a consequence I don't use it much.

[T163RN3TW0RK]

Thanks for the replies.
So what DLC could be a good alternative to Settle & Carlisle ?
Which DLC would be better for me to buy ?

[pilot37]

Woodhead
West Coast Mainline
Haven't bought yet but plan to get China Clay (Creative Rail)

[T163RN3TW0RK]

Actually I've considered buying WCMLN but since a few weeks Steam says that: "Notice: This DLC is included with the Steam version of RailWorks 3: Train Simulator 2012 and is only available for purchase to retail copy owners. " What does it mean ?
Also, does WCMLN and the Class 86 have fully TSX-adapted features like raindrops and headlights (when I ask if the route has these features, which sounds completely illogical, I ask if the route supports them) ?

[bpbill]

Actually I've considered buying WCMLN but since a few weeks Steam says that: "Notice: This DLC is included with the Steam version of RailWorks 3: Train Simulator 2012 and is only available for purchase to retail copy owners. " What does it mean ?

Odd. In theory it means that the route is included with a purchase of TS2013. In practice who knows.

Also, does WCMLN and the Class 86 have fully TSX-adapted features like raindrops and headlights (when I ask if the route has these features, which sounds completely illogical, I ask if the route supports them) ?

Yes they do, WCML was the first route to include them if I remember correctly.

[T163RN3TW0RK]

Actually I've considered buying WCMLN but since a few weeks Steam says that: "Notice: This DLC is included with the Steam version of RailWorks 3: Train Simulator 2012 and is only available for purchase to retail copy owners. " What does it mean ?

Odd. In theory it means that the route is included with a purchase of TS2013. In practice who knows.

Well normally WCMLN wasn't included in TS13. And even if it was, I bought TS12 on the 1st January 2012, so even if it was included with TS13, I wouldn't have it anyway. I really don't want to risk anything, that's why I'm waiting at the moment, but I really want the WCMNL and (but that's another thing) the Class 70 !

[jimmyshand]

Woodhead
West Coast Mainline
Haven't bought yet but plan to get China Clay (Creative Rail)

Completely agree with this. These 3 are in the top 5 on my list for sure. China Clay is a very quirky addon but stunning nonetheless. Features the most realistic countryside of any route and the dense lineside foliage is very realistic. I live nearby and it's a very very accurate recreation in all respects.

[whiterider]

What addons do you have?

I personally would recommend the following (in rank order):
1) London to Brighton (a must have)
2) WCML North (The Class 390/Voyager, Class 66, and Class 70 both make this route better)
3) Portsmouth Direct Line (The Class 444 also makes a nice addition to this)
4) Edinburgh to Glasgow
5) Scottish East Coast Mainline
6) Bristol to Exeter
7) Oxford to Paddington (new users to Train Simulator 2013) + the other previous default routes.
North East Corridor with Amtrak Acela (I don't usually like American routes but I have a soft spot for this)

[USRailFan]

Yes they do, WCML was the first route to include them if I remember correctly.

It wasn't. The first route to have the TS2012 features was Horseshoe Curve. WCML-N wasn't "upgraded" until quite some time after that.

[T163RN3TW0RK]

What addons do you have?

I personally would recommend the following (in rank order):
1) London to Brighton (a must have)
2) WCML North (The Class 390/Voyager, Class 66, and Class 70 both make this route better)
3) Portsmouth Direct Line (The Class 444 also makes a nice addition to this)
4) Edinburgh to Glasgow
5) Scottish East Coast Mainline
6) Bristol to Exeter
7) Oxford to Paddington (new users to Train Simulator 2013) + the other previous default routes.
North East Corridor with Amtrak Acela (I don't usually like American routes but I have a soft spot for this)

From that list, I have Oxford to Paddington and all the default routes included in TS12 and London to Brighton.

[jimmyshand]

What addons do you have?

I personally would recommend the following (in rank order):
1) London to Brighton (a must have)
2) WCML North (The Class 390/Voyager, Class 66, and Class 70 both make this route better)
3) Portsmouth Direct Line (The Class 444 also makes a nice addition to this)
4) Edinburgh to Glasgow
5) Scottish East Coast Mainline
6) Bristol to Exeter
7) Oxford to Paddington (new users to Train Simulator 2013) + the other previous default routes.
North East Corridor with Amtrak Acela (I don't usually like American routes but I have a soft spot for this)

Funny how we all have such widely differing views. There is no way I would say London to Brighton is a must have. If you are into ultra modern, commuter, plastic units then fair enough but if your interest is in locos then this route will offer about as much longevity as a chocolate teapot!
The only way to really offer any effective advice is for the opening poster to specify their preferences in terms of era/traction type etc.

[whiterider]

Funny how we all have such widely differing views. There is no way I would say London to Brighton is a must have. If you are into ultra modern, commuter, plastic units then fair enough but if your interest is in locos then this route will offer about as much longevity as a chocolate teapot!
The only way to really offer any effective advice is for the opening poster to specify their preferences in terms of era/traction type etc.

You know, I thought London to Brighton is actually a good route to go back for BR/NSE days as not too much has changed and it is quite easy to change. I personally would say London to Brighton is a must have since it caters for so much.
Exactly the reason I asked what routes they had as then we can make a better assumption at their type of routes.