New Route and Loco pack coming soon from JT...

[USRailFan]

The ICE-1 power units that are equipped for traffic to Switzerland have extra pantographs, at least... (and the current is the same, so it is not because of that). And Basel is divided into a 'German' and a 'Swiss' part, where unmodified locos/trainsets use the 'German' part... Could the BR103 have been in Basel?
Also in the pre-Railjet days, I am fairly certain Austria - Switzerland trains such as the Transalpin changed locos at the border somewhere...

[fsclips01]

Also in the pre-Railjet days, I am fairly certain Austria - Switzerland trains such as the Transalpin changed locos at the border somewhere...

That is correct. The change-over happened in Feldkirch, Bregenz or Lindau (depending where the train was coming from). This was however, in the days when ICs and ECs where pulled by the 1044 or 1144 series, ever since the 1116 has been in use this is not necessary anymore. If it is done then only for logistical reasons, not technical ones.
The railjet 1116 is the same as all the other 1116. It is true by the way that the pantographs in Switzerland are slightly narrower. In Austria the standard width is 1950mm in Switzerland it is 1450mm. The 1116 and 1216 have the narrower ones.

According to Siemens the 1216 Taurus can be used in the following countries:

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Check Republik, Slowakia, Hungary, Austria, Slowenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Italy, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, France, Luxembourg, Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.

Sweden has recently ordered some Taurus locos. So they are slowly but surely showing up everywhere.

Stefan

[749006]

I know normally Austrian and German locos can't operate into Switzerland because of something with the design of their pantographs (too wide for the Swiss loading gauge, or something)

Are you sure about this? I clearly remember standing beside a BR103 in one of the big Swiss termini in 1983 - I think it was in Geneva

It might have been Basel SBB as the DB 103 electric worked in to Basel until withdrawn from service.

Peter

[749006]

Also in the pre-Railjet days, I am fairly certain Austria - Switzerland trains such as the Transalpin changed locos at the border somewhere...

That is correct. The change-over happened in Feldkirch, Bregenz or Lindau (depending where the train was coming from). This was however, in the days when ICs and ECs where pulled by the 1044 or 1144 series, ever since the 1116 has been in use this is not necessary anymore. If it is done then only for logistical reasons, not technical ones.

Not quite correct. The only 1116 locos that work BEYOND the Swiss border stations are the RailJet Locos.
The services that are not RailJet are worked by an OBB loco to/From Buchs and a Swiss Re4/4 over swiss rails.The loco change takes place at Buchs because the service reverses there.

According to Siemens the 1216 Taurus can be used in the following countries:

Check Republik, Slowakia, Stefan

Where and Where

As a footnote the OBB and SBB work in to Lindau with electric locos BUT all DB services are Diesel - something about the Lack Of Overhead Wires.
So unless someone knows something then all the DB Intercity services will be worked by Class V200 locos

Peter

[fsclips01]

Not quite correct. The only 1116 locos that work BEYOND the Swiss border stations are the RailJet Locos.
The services that are not RailJet are worked by an OBB loco to/From Buchs and a Swiss Re4/4 over swiss rails.The loco change takes place at Buchs because the service reverses there.

Well, I can only go by all the Siemens info sheets we are working with on this project. The 1216 can go into Switzerland no problem, the 1116 needs a "swiss pack" which is optional. All railjet locos have them, but also many other 1116 as well, which makes me think the loco change is more a logistical one than a technical one. Otherwise what's the point in paying for a "swiss pack" and then not making use of it?

As a footnote the OBB and SBB work in to Lindau with electric locos BUT all DB services are Diesel - something about the Lack Of Overhead Wires.
So unless someone knows something then all the DB Intercity services will be worked by Class V200 locos

Indeed. At Lindau only 3 tracks have overhead wires, the rest is diesel only. (A nightmare to build by the way with the mixing of different trackrules). The most common German loco is probably the Class 218, although more and more DMUs are finding their way there.

Lindau's train station will be closed in a couple of years though. In fact the entire branch line from Lindau to St. Gallen will be re-built and is part of a bigger plan to build a fast connection between Munich and Zurich. Interesting times. One day we might see ICEs stopping at the new Lindau Reutin station.

Stefan

[749006]

Not quite correct. The only 1116 locos that work BEYOND the Swiss border stations are the RailJet Locos.
The services that are not RailJet are worked by an OBB loco to/From Buchs and a Swiss Re4/4 over swiss rails.The loco change takes place at Buchs because the service reverses there.

Well, I can only go by all the Siemens info sheets we are working with on this project. The 1216 can go into Switzerland no problem, the 1116 needs a "swiss pack" which is optional. All railjet locos have them, but also many other 1116 as well, which makes me think the loco change is more a logistical one than a technical one. Otherwise what's the point in paying for a "swiss pack" and then not making use of it?

Stefan

As you pointed out in an earlier post the main reason the ordinary OBB 1116 locos do not work beyond the Swiss border stations is they do not have a pantograph with the narrower head.
Siemens do not make a '1116' they make a ES64U2 which the OBB call a 1016 or 1116, MAV locos are 1047, DB Shenker Class 182, Hupac & MRCE Dispolok call them ES64U2 and have that number of the end. Siemans also make a ES64U4 which OBB call a 1216, SZ call them a 541. The 1216 can only run over the border in to Switzerland at Buchs and no further as they are not fitted with Swiss signalling equipment.

Have a look at http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1404931&lang=1 and http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1404933&lang=1
Some good pictures for the modelling of these locos.

Peter

[fsclips01]

Yes, I am well aware of the ES numerical system. But going into this would be taking this thread a bit too far. It is after all about an add-on for RW3. Included in the Taurus pack will be the 1016, 1116, BR182 and the 1047. We have done our homework and are working with Taurus drivers. I can assure you that all documents (which I am not allowed to share) clearly show that the 1216 and the 1116 with the "Swiss pack" can be used in the whole of Switzerland.

Since this route ends in Rorschach (and the 1116 has been there) I would like to return back to topic now.

Thanks

stefan

[749006]

Yes, I am well aware of the ES numerical system. But going into this would be taking this thread a bit too far. It is after all about an add-on for RW3. Included in the Taurus pack will be the 1016, 1116, BR182 and the 1047. We have done our homework and are working with Taurus drivers. I can assure you that all documents (which I am not allowed to share) clearly show that the 1216 and the 1116 with the "Swiss pack" can be used in the whole of Switzerland.

Since this route ends in Rorschach (and the 1116 has been there) I would like to return back to topic now.

Thanks

stefan

Ok, you assume that RW3 users don't know anything about railways - some do. By not mentioning the ES numerical system you put in peoples minds that the ES64U2 runs in Switzerland, which they do - Dispoloks - an OBB 1116 is an ES64U2 - therefore any OBB 1116 can run in Switzerland - NOT!
The Only OBB 1116 locos that have a Swiss pantograph and Swiss Signalling equipment are the Rail Jet locos.

I am not trying to argue that the ES64U4 can run in Switzerland I am disputing the OBB 1216 can run in Switzerland - which it cannot.

As the locos are being offered at the same time - and mentioned in the thred title - I thought the locos were 'on topic'. Or is it the facts you don't like.

One little bit - the locos that can work in Switzerland have THREE Pantographs - as do Most OBB 1116 locos.
I presume the models shown on the Just Trains website will be amended.

Regards

Peter

PS - if you know of a 1216/ES64U4 that Is passed for use in Switzerland could you let me know - I would like to get a picture.
And if you have seen a picture of an OBB 1116 at Rorschach please tell me where

[ashgray]

OK guys, let's not get confrontational...

Ash

[fsclips01]

@ashgray If my previous post came across as confrontational then I apologize. That was not my intention. I just felt we got way off track in regards to the header of this thread.

@749006 I am sure you only want to help and that is great. But see it from my point of view. We have been working on this since 2011. Hundreds and hundreds of ours researching, going through documents, pestering train drivers, taking photographs, getting performance data,... my research folder for this project is larger than RW itself.
I am lucky to work with people that know all there is to know about these things and that are from the industry. They are very competent and I am sure they know what they are talking about.

Here is the Taurus in Rorschach
http://www.rohrmann-hannover.de/16068/1 ... ion*id*val*

So, let's just leave it at that. In a few weeks the full data sheet for the Taurus package will be published and hopefully it will answer all your questions.

Kind regards

stefan

[749006]

@Ashgray & @Stefan.

I also did not wish to be confrontational - there were a number of points which seemed wrong and I wished to point them out before it was too late.
The picture at Rorschach is interesting but it was a special event and not an everyday occrance.

My comment about the 3 pantographs on the 1116 locos made me doubt myself as looking thru my pictures most seemed to have only two
But RailfanEurope to the rescue - Some of the lower numbered OBB 1116 locos have 3 pantographs
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/ele ... -8poli.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/ele ... 16-009.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/at/ele ... 017_25.jpg
Which seem to be in the first series of locos.

At the end of it all I'm looking forward to the release.

Peter

[fsclips01]

Peter those pictures are indeed interesting. I will look into that.

Once we have new stuff to report, we will do so to keep you posted.

Stefan

[fsclips01]

Hi all,

We thought it's time we updated you on the Three Country Corner Route and the Taurus and Eurofima Carriage projects along with some great news!

The route is progressing really well and work is being concentrated on creating the last few custom buildings, mainly train stations. It's looking really good. At the same time many different kinds of scenarios are being created to give the custom signalling a good test and workout!

The Taurus Locomotive and Eurofima carriage pack is a separate project but will totally complement the route, as the same team have worked on both projects.

Along with the route and locomotive/carriage pack there will also be a further product that will have a selection of exclusive scenarios for the route and locomotive and a selection of beautiful custom liveries for the superbly modelled Taurus.

Naturally both the route pack and the locomotive/carriage pack will come with scenarios, however for those that order the route and the locomotive/carriage pack at the same time the additional Scenario and liveries pack will be absolutely FREE!

Here are two screenshots of one of the additional livery pack re-paints as it progresses:





The route will surely be one of the best so far for Train Simulator 2012 and the Taurus one of the most advanced locomotives around for the simulator with extensive scripting to replicate its complex nature along with an outstanding‚ distinctive ‘singing‘ sound set. This Taurus will be the one to drive!

We will keep you posted as we progress towards the finishing line and full details of all three projects will be released as we get closer to the release date.

Standby for the best route and Taurus!

Many thanks

The JustTrains development team

[iceman2117]

hi, ...

Interest to hear, thanks.
There will be no German car, the Taurus finishes and models? Only SBB and OEBB?

g'ice

[fsclips01]

Hi ice

There will be German Tauri, but no German Eurofimas. There are already so many German carriages (VR Eurofima and lots of freeware repaints and Eurofimas) that we don't think there is much point in including these.

Instead there will be a buffet car, something that is still missing for the European market.

Kind regards

Stefan