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trainsmit wrote:I have been´working a few days on a pack of scenarios under the "Default Diesel" brand - for the default Great Western Main Line, for starters. The idea expands to Default Steam/Electric/DMU/EMU on other default routes. The challenge is to compose plausible traffic with only default assets.

On the OxPad the HST and Class 166 in FGW livery seems plausible after 1992, but what about earlier?
The route is set in the early 2000s so I don''t think it is reasonable to expect great mountains of stock for other eras.

You do have the original IC125 livery and Class 47's though, that could be a good start if a bit lacking for local traffic.
trainsmit wrote:If you run an all stops 166 down the GWML, then even if you accelerate and brake at 100%, you are unlikely to be able to keep a timetable, that uses the default 75% power and 35 second stopping time. The power setting gives the average speed between calls as a percentage of the line speed. I guess the driving time is computed by dividing the distance with the set average velocity. However, the actual consist - AI or user driven - may not be able to accelerate or run fast enough to keep the timetable. In that case the train will run late.
This is where you need to do some trial runs in a free roam scenario with some kind of stopwatch-equipped device (including a smartphone or iPod) and base your scenarios on the actual capabilities of the traction you'll be using. Then set the % performance to the value which leads to the timing matching your data, minus a couple of percentage points so that you have a little padding.

While 75% is clearly preposterous at times (like the 166 having a maximum speed less than 75% of the GWML's 125mph linespeed) I guess that they had to set the default value to something rather than nothing.
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Dear Darren,

You wrote, and I will try to respond to -

"It would also be nice to hear feedback for scenarios that appear here, did they provide as much satisfaction as those with payware? Were they realistic, or as realistic as could be achieved with what is available? Given many free "hidden gems" are in the RS download section, has it inspired you to create and share your own if you have found stock you were unaware of?"

I am one of the few - or many ? - that simply want runs in beautiful and/or interesting scenery and that sometimes have an element of challenge. I am happy to see Stephens's Rocket pulling in alongside a Class 150. I like liveries for their variety and do not mind them being out of their region.

Your three scenarios were all very good and enjoyable. The night ones were particularly atmospheric. (I had to swap the class 43 for one that had a fixed cab view. Thank God for RWTools !!!)

I would not know how realistic your scenarios are, I only know they are enjoyable. I have tried to make a scenario but have not got very far. I would not know what rolling stock to put with what era or scenery but that would not bother me. Perhaps it ought to if others were to use it ? I would eventually like to be able to make one for others to use

The three scenarios would have been even more enjoyable had they been on a route like WCML North but there are also beautiful freeware routes that beat default routes. Perhaps the most detailed and fun to drive loco's are nearly all payware.

I have been with Railsim and Railworks since the very beginning and so I have slowly built up a huge collection of freeware and payware. If I were new to RW now I would be daunted by the huge amount of stuff available and also needed to run things.

Hence I do agree that some sort of starter pack of freeware assets and routes that would get people going would be of very seriously great benefit.

WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOUT BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT IF IT WERE NOT FOR UKTRAINSIM THEN I WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP YEARS AGO. I simply would not have known what to do, how to fix things etc. AVSIM and others do the same for Flight Sim. Fixing things is a large but essential part of both RW and Flightsim.

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Darran

Have you considered any scenarios for the Horseshoe curve route please?

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peterllamachambers wrote:Hence I do agree that some sort of starter pack of freeware assets and routes that would get people going would be of very seriously great benefit.

WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOUT BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT IF IT WERE NOT FOR UKTRAINSIM THEN I WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP YEARS AGO.
I think we can allow that sort of shouting :D

If you have not come across the Freeware Packs then please do take a look. Most of the requirements for Darrens scenarios (not all) are included in the freeware packs so downloading and installing them will mean you are almost set up for these and other scenarios.

There are also now 2 freeware pack routes designed with minimal pay ware requirements (IOW and nothing else I think). I also have something a little bit special in the works related to the freeware packs that I hope the community will want to get involved in.

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thetrainfan wrote:Had a run on "An Early Turn" Darren, and I must say it is wonderful. I was amazed at how it looked and performed like a proper, full payware scenario but only required a couple of reskins! Fooled me, it should fool others as well and bring newcomers into the hardcore RW land.


Thank you very much for these scenarios Darren, going to have a play on "Inbound Commute" very soon.

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Thanks Sean.

Let me know how you find Inbound Commute, and whether the assets appeared ok!
Just had a go on it earlier. Absolutely brilliant scenario mate!
Only thing that let it down was the Class 166's awful brakes - overshot a couple of stations and I quit near Reading. But the custom assets worked a treat, it's just a shame that some 'hard' pedestrians actually walked past the barriers! :o :P
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Ah, now I had a method for the 166 but forgot to include it in the readme, although it requires use of either HUD. :oops:

When doing roughly 75mph, at 0.8 miles out from the station, go off the power. At 0.7 miles, go 72% (or whatever it was) brake and then when you hit the platform ramp at roughly 30-40mph increase to 98% brake to bring it to a stop correctly.
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Ouch. :lol: Your passengers must love you! :P

But anyway, thanks for that - I'll try it again soon. I just hate the 166's oversensitive throttle and brake - has a mind of its own sometimes!
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Darran

Would you be so good as to check something please. The INbound Communute scenario. The readme does not specify that the Fastline VDA Wagons are required. However RWTools suggests they are missing (as i dont have them).

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They certainly haven't been used Simon, the whole idea being everything was free. Running it through RWTools here, it does not list Fastline anywhere.

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Darpor wrote:Ah, now I had a method for the 166 but forgot to include it in the readme, although it requires use of either HUD. :oops:

When doing roughly 75mph, at 0.8 miles out from the station, go off the power. At 0.7 miles, go 72% (or whatever it was) brake and then when you hit the platform ramp at roughly 30-40mph increase to 98% brake to bring it to a stop correctly.
Ouch, your poor passengers, lol :)

Cheers for these, Darren, good stuff.
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Kariban wrote: Ouch, your poor passengers, lol :)

Cheers for these, Darren, good stuff.
It isn't ideal, I'll give you that! :lol: It's the only method I could use in order to come close to real timings.

Actually, you know these things. :D Are the brakes broken or genuinely rubbish? :lol:
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Will fire it up now and give it a test. Got to get my coffee first before loading it up.
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TheTazman wrote:Darran

Would you be so good as to check something please. The INbound Communute scenario. The readme does not specify that the Fastline VDA Wagons are required. However RWTools suggests they are missing (as i dont have them).

Thanks

Simon
Darpor wrote:They certainly haven't been used Simon, the whole idea being everything was free. Running it through RWTools here, it does not list Fastline anywhere.

I've checked by uninstalling the VDA pack (and manually deleting the Fastline folder) and the scenario loads fine. No disrespect to Mike Simpson as he does a fantastic job with RWTools, but it is a known fact from time to time it will make spurious reports about certain assets being missing which were never used in the first place.

Darren's uploads work first time every time, so you should muster up a little more faith and load the scenario in TS2012 rather than checking it in RWTools. Save RWTools for the downloads where an actual problem is experienced.
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Darpor wrote:Actually, you know these things. :D Are the brakes broken or genuinely rubbish? :lol:
Hm, I must admit I hardly ever drive the 166 - I was going to look at it once I'd finished messing around with the 325.

Originally with 3-step disk brakes you were meant to throw it in full-service until you got to the platform, when you backed off so you don't pitch the passengers out of their seats. IIRC from a recent conversation it's step 2 as the default now.
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Darran its loaded fine. In your RW Tools, could you just try clicking List Missing Stock thats when it said it was missing VDA's on mine.
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