Class 421 4CIG - Out Now

[nsupersonic]

4CIG news

http://railsimulator.blogspot.com/2011/ ... g-wip.html

Nice I'm definitely buying this one.

Ditto - the above_ me too!

Charles

[Varney]

That looks wonderful, really looking forward to this. (Which is kind of odd, I spent years commuting on the things).

Presumably it is showing temporary shoegear?

[yerkes]

Presumably it is showing temporary shoegear?

I would hope so, and also without the protecting wooden beam. CIGs had no shoe on the inner bogie either.

[kingsgate]

I hope they change the headcode box around, too, I let Mr Walters change the one on 7059 so he could see just how it worked.

[yerkes]

And - while we're at it - I think the bottom of the front cab door should go up at an angle rather than be straight across. And the shape of the bodyside looks a bit too angular, just at the bottom of the window quarter-light frames. Both of these might be to do with the lighting and the angle of the image, however.

But none of my comments should detract from what is, in all other respects, a brilliant-looking model. Let's hope the cab, sounds and physics are all just as stunning.

[steve1023]

As has been said above - hopefully the shoegear is temporary - Its nothing more than a work of fiction.

The rest looks good.

[starclean]

Agreed, that shoe gear is not even close! Not that I think RS.com need any help, a few pictures of what it
should look like can be found here: http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/class421_07.html

[nobkins]

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[Slammer423]

Will be absolute stunner then, tbh all payware & freeware developers new / pro to the modeling world are doing some supurb stock. I am really looking forward to this as i had many happy rides on them too and form Haslemere when i used to work there. then they took my beloved girls away and replaced them with monsters Look forward to further development shots as and when they become available to everyone envolved with the project keep up the fantastic work.

[nsupersonic]

What I use to like was the seating - more leg room on a class 421 and that they actually also 'seemed faster' than a class 450 of today. This was especially speeding through Weybridge staion, travelling to and from London Waterloo. Looking foward to recreating the late 70's timetable, where for a time, they ran non-stop between Haslemere and Havant


Regards
Charles

[transadelaide]

What I use to like was the seating - more leg room on a class 421 and that they actually also 'seemed faster' than a class 450 of today. This was especially speeding through Weybridge staion, travelling to and from London Waterloo. Looking foward to recreating the late 70's timetable, where for a time, they ran non-stop between Haslemere and Havant


Regards
Charles

I wonder if an older train seeming faster than a new one is down to the noise, vibration and suspension movement giving a greater sensation of speed when modern units filter that out? I've noticed this with cars, I drive a 20 year old Toyota Camry which gets a decent amount of engine, road and wind noise coming through to the interior, enough that it gives you a good impression of how fast you're driving. The 2010 Renault Scenic my parents drive is completely the opposite, it's near on silent and the noise level only changes slightly with increased speed, consequently driving at 100 km/h on the freeway feels like a sedate 40km/h drive down to the shops in my Camry. I also notice it on the rare occasions I get to travel on one of TransAdelaide's older 2000 Class DMUs, they feel faster than the newer 3000 Class units despite actually being slower.

[Kromaatikse]

That's an interesting theory, and I have a more complicated example over here in Helsinki. The Sm1 is the oldest type of EMU here, then Sm2 has the same basic design but better bogies, the Sm4 is a newish design designed for outer-suburban duty, and the Sm5 is a new lightweight articulated unit. On a particular stretch of track which I cover almost daily, all of them can reach 120km/h (72mph), which makes for a fair comparison of ride quality.

The Sm1 units definitely have a very lively ride over some of the poorer track. It can get fairly alarming after a hard winter when the formation has been frost-damaged, where the cyclic top is sufficient to make the suspension bottom out. The Sm2 seems to have wider vertical limits and usually avoids the problem. The Sm4 and Sm5 have modern air suspensions, so they ride fairly smoothly even on poor track.

However, because the Sm5 is a lightweight unit, it makes quite a lot of noise when running fast. Combined with most of the seating being in the low-floor sections between the bogies (compared to the Sm1/2 being high-floor designs), the impression of speed is roughly equal between them. The Sm4, by contrast, usually feels slower at 160km/h on the mainline than the other units at 120km/h, even though the timetable says the opposite.

Curiously, the Sm1 is still used regularly on routes with long line-speed running sections (the G and Y outer-suburban trains), even though this is precisely what the Sm4 was designed for. The Sm4 is instead used for semi-fast services on the main line and deputising for low-floor stock shortages on slow services.

FWIW, the Sm3 is the local version of the Pendolino, and thus not directly comparable to the commuter stock.

[AndyM77]

I think the old "slammers" feel faster due to things like openable windows (wind noise) vs the modern Aircon units with sealed windows, traction motors are noisier (especially on the REPs (witness the sound of the 442's if you weren't around when there were REPs)), and just the general rattles and bangs that you used to get along with the lovely thick bouncy seats!

[JasonM]

Yes I agree I think the old slammers made you feel the speed more due to the air noise through the open windows and if you were lucky/unlucky the hunting of the bogies that bounced you from side to side at 80+

I look forward to the 4 cig (as long as it is done properly of course).

[Andrew Page]

Yes I agree I think the old slammers made you feel the speed more due to the air noise through the open windows and if you were lucky/unlucky the hunting of the bogies that bounced you from side to side at 80+.

Indeed they did, and my recollection of riding on pretty much empty 4EPBs (or were they 4SUBs?) from East Croydon to London Bridge (circa 1972), going contraflow against the evening rush so to speak, was that things could get distinctly lively and interesting as they went hell for leather down Forest Hill bank.

AP