Class 57/0 Update Discussion

[thetrainfan]

How about different cabs for the different liveries - ie a DRS cab, a Freightliner cab and an Advenza cab?
They're sure to differ from each other....
How about proper flange & track sounds also?

[jimmyshand]

I'd really like the throttle to work with my RailDriver.

Agreed, the 57 is the only 'standard' loco in the game that doesn't work properly with the Raildriver console. I presume it is something to do with the programmed delay between moving the throttle and getting an engine response.

There is a work around for the Raildriver but it involves using one of the switches to drive the loco rather than the main power handle.

I know lots of people like the delay element of applying the power, primarily I think because it's a bit of a novelty rather than being realistic? Now I'm in the 'elite' Raildriver club I'd prefer it if the throttle was standardised like all other RW locos so that it will work correctly with Raildriver. I may be wrong but I think the delay element might be a bit OTT? Having had extensive experience with marine diesel engines I don't seem to recall there ever being a noticeable delay between applying throttle and getting a response. The throttle handle is mechanically linked to the governor on the engine and so any control input will have a near instant effect on the engine.

Other than the gripe about Raildriver functionality, in my opinion the 57 is one of the most perfect recreations of a locomotive in the history of train simulation to date.

[smarty2]

I don't think if it wasn't a real feature of the locomotive it wouldn't be added. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bXEJZN ... re=related

[Ooveecouk]

[Oovee hat]
The driver geometry has been fixed for those inquiring.

[Personal hat]
Regarding the RPM delay. I'm fairly confident in saying that all, if not most, UK diesel trains will have some kind of throttle delay, some larger than others. Inertia has a big part to play here with the amount of resistance to changes in velocity. The principle of inertia is one of the fundamental principles of classical physics which are used to describe the motion of matter and how it is affected by applied forces. Even a Class 170 has around a 4 & 1/2 second delay on throttle inputs but rather than inertia I'd say this is down to a design feature by Bombardier.

I was lucky enough to spend some considerable amount of time (and fun) in a 37 (D6737). On light loco when pulling the throttle back nothing happened for at least 5 seconds, once the AMP begins to raise you begin to gain momentum and that point you immediately have to bring the throttle back to the screw (whilst waiting for the AMP to drop again) because she shoots off. I noticed whilst bringing the throttle back the engine was still building up and a few moments later the engine begins to drop RPM.

If you purchase a cab-ride DVD of the Class 57/3 from 225 Studios (I think it was) you can hear the driver going up notches with a approx 3-5 seconds before you hear any engine sound.

Since RailDriver is based on USA trains I never saw any use for it on UK stock and I believe the inertia feature is more valuable?

Cheers
Z

[phill70]

Regarding the RPM delay. I'm fairly confident in saying that all, if not most, UK diesel trains will have some kind of throttle delay, some larger than others.

All UK diesels have throttle delay, the 37 is probably the worse, HST's probably the least.
Shunters, have very little delay, but that's because there is not much to them.

[Kariban]

Most RW engines spool down way too fast - is there a cutout relating to throttle position for the electrical side of a DE? ie in your 37 if you closed the throttle would it cut power to the traction motors? RW seems to do that. I don't know that much about locomotive-sized engines, but I rather suspect that they'd keep a fair bit of power until the turbo - sorry, pressure-charger - spooled down; old turbo installs didn't have wastegates, iirc?

There's something to be said for massively overpowered 4 carriage trains, that Arriva acceleration was pretty extreme :p

[Will]

Regarding the RPM delay. I'm fairly confident in saying that all, if not most, UK diesel trains will have some kind of throttle delay, some larger than others.

All UK diesels have throttle delay, the 37 is probably the worse, HST's probably the least.
Shunters, have very little delay, but that's because there is not much to them.

Today's re-engined MTU HSTs are near instant. I dont have to wait more than 1.5 seconds for power, it's instantly there. First Great Western have got it to a perfect setup, with the help of Brush, compare the MTU to the engine of death (The Valenta) and you see the results. 4/5 seconds before power as it was too busy clagging!

With regards to the 57, I have driven First's 57/6's, and the delay between applying the power, and the power coming in, is just right, the only thing I would say is perhaps bring it kicking in about 0.1 second quicker, that's it. They all differ by a small margin, but Oovee has go it spot on. Faultless.

Most RW engines spool down way too fast - is there a cutout relating to throttle position for the electrical side of a DE? ie in your 37 if you closed the throttle would it cut power to the traction motors? RW seems to do that. I don't know that much about locomotive-sized engines, but I rather suspect that they'd keep a fair bit of power until the turbo - sorry, pressure-charger - spooled down; old turbo installs didn't have wastegates, iirc?

There's something to be said for massively overpowered 4 carriage trains, that Arriva acceleration was pretty extreme :p

That's nothing, I dont expect the engine was working hard either! 4 coaches. They take off like a rocket if you get them right

[AndyM77]

With regards to the 57, I have driven First's 57/6's, and the delay between applying the power, and the power coming in, is just right, the only thing I would say is perhaps bring it kicking in about 0.1 second quicker, that's it. They all differ by a small margin, but Oovee has go it spot on. Faultless.

Well, that says it all IMHO

[Kariban]

That's nothing, I dont expect the engine was working hard either! 4 coaches. They take off like a rocket if you get them right

BR are past the days of serving solid coffee, sadly for dragracer train drivers

[TheTazman]

heere is a good one. could you stop the wiper on the rear end from moving when in the opposite cab?

[Ooveecouk]

heere is a good one. could you stop the wiper on the rear end from moving when in the opposite cab?

Don't think so.

[TheTazman]

thats an RSC request?

heere is a good one. could you stop the wiper on the rear end from moving when in the opposite cab?

Don't think so.

[phat2003uk]

I find the fact that the RailDriver is designed on a US cab doesn't really affect the enjoyment of using it on UK locos. It's the sort of thing where once you use it once, it's hard to go back to the keyboard/mouse. The 57 is definitely one of the best locos out there but unfortunately I rarely use it due to its incompatability with the RD. If I was Zane though, I'd find it difficult to justify scrapping the spooling feature in favour of RD compatibility. It'd be nice to have both though .

[TransportSteve]

Well, I've just bought it and had a drive and whoooooohoooooo, it's wicked....

The things I noticed are that some of the interior switches don't all work, I haven't tried it at night yet, but, does it have a proper cab light like the Class 60, I noticed the "dashboard" dials are a bit dim in the daytime whilst being shown as illuminated, can they be brightened up at all, or, are they supposed to be like that.
I couldn't sit in the secondman's seat either, is that not allowed, I pressed every button on my keyboard and the HUD, but, it just won't let you move across, and the horn control on that side doesn't operate either.....

Apart from that, hmmmmm 9.95/10, theres always room for minor improvements.....

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

[TheTazman]

works fien for me. Its the righ cursor key.