HST brakes

[larch]

Have I missed an update, download, workaround, fix or whatever to correct the HST brake problem? It's rather spoiling my enjoyment of Railworks, given that I use Bristol to Exeter most. HSTs are hard to avoid on a modern image scenario on that route!

I have found that you can get graduated braking by very carefully moving and holding the brake lever in F4 between notches with your mouse, but it seems strange to me that this hasn't been properly fixed yet.

The green HST released a few weeks back doesn't have this problem. I sometimes use RW tools to create clone scenarios using the green HST just so that I can enjoy HST scenarios with a loco that works properly, but it doesn't exactly do much for satisfactory external viewing

I do try to be positive and not to moan. In general I think the RW team are doing a brilliant job, but I would like to see this fixed soon. Is there any news on when this might happen? Surely just reverting to the previous braking code or using that from the green HST isn't that big a job? Perhaps it is.

Is there anything I can do in terms of copying over relevant files from the green HST's folders in the meantime?

Simon Spoerer

[gypbrc]

I do believe that the HST physics will revert to pre-RW2 in the next update. I don't know when this is though.

[larch]

Yes I knew the fix was coming, but it seems to be taking a long time and I wondered if I'd missed it. This is a big and long-lasting snag for one of the most important locos on the sim.

I wondered if there was an interim fix using some code in files from the green HST, but perhaps not. Seems an obvious possibility (not that I have the knowledge to actually know one way or the other).

Simon Spoerer

[gypbrc]

What I have done personally as I enjoy driving the HST a lot is to make up a consist in each livery using David Brindley's HST physics modifications. When the G&G HST came out I swapped where possible the geometry files (which have better LODS) in these consists. It took a few hours to set up, but personally it's been worth it. I then swap out a consist using RWTools for any normal scenario I want to play that has me driving the HST. The only snag point is you cannot use them for Career Scenarios.

[Kromaatikse]

The fix for this was supposedly scheduled for November. Even that was frankly to long to wait.

[mick lamb]

Hi guys can anyone give me a quick tip in installing David Brindley's HST physics modifications for the brakes etc ive tried a few times installing but ending up with the railworks version of the hst brakes which is useless


cheers

mick

[ghawk2005]

Any bugs that are to have been found that are similar to this should be delt with and updated to users within a week of the railworks team being informed of the mistake that was created. not left and left forever on the back burner. the hall class brake is STILL the wrong way around a year after release, we are paying money for locos that have absolutely NO realism if the brake doesn't work in the right direction, or the correct functionality, if a brake has notches in real life with graduated release, simulate it correctly on first release of the game, not 2 years later, if people can program space shuttles to orbit jupiter, i'm sure there's a human being in the computer team that can sort this out in less than 2 years.

[ghawk2005]

Hi guys can anyone give me a quick tip in installing David Brindley's HST physics modifications for the brakes etc ive tried a few times installing but ending up with the railworks version of the hst brakes which is useless


cheers

mick

i'm not 100% on this but if you install the file as described in the readme file or download etc, you need to go into railworks/railsim and fine the HST and MK3 coaches that have DRB after their title in the consist creator. it doesn't overwrite existing hsts

[AndyM77]

All I'll say is that it kinda defeats the purpose of having the game on Steam..

(i.e a single file can be updated by developers whenever they need to and simply and easily roll it out via Steam to every user without fuss - .bin files for engines are "Unlikely" to break the whole game and or scenarios! ).

For example, look at how many patches Worms Reloaded has had via Steam since launch.. The devs are constantly fixing bits, uploading to Steam, getting the users to see if the problem(s) have gone away, and if not another patch is made and released ASAP.

Many other games companies are capable of doing this and a two man team whom developed the "Indie" game 'Euflorium' seem capable of this too - so it's not down to man power..

I guess the update that was 'slated' for November (core) with these fixes won't be out now till Jan '11 at the earliest since Steam are "Too busy" to get releases ready (and yet, other developers are still able to release patches and games with no apparent problem).

One last thing before I get banned or post moderated - I'm sure that at least one of next weeks DLC will mysteriously be 'delayed', oh yes, because of Steam. Right I'm out of here for a while now, so give me a break if you need to..

[ghawk2005]

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I don't see why we should be banned or posts removed for having a say in where our money goes. If these addons were free or £1.50 then we'd have no right to critisize but most of these addons are above £10 some even £19.99 and for that money we expect a correct and accurate model, we don't want trains with that don't have innacurate brakes or missing passenger views, if people don't like them they don't have to use them, but for these prices we should get at a very minimum a good quality graphic model (which we always do), accurate physics, (class 101 was WAY out and i had to fix myself through hours of testing and adjusting, custom sounds, cab and a passenger view. I have had to add in my own passenger view to the class 170 from the default 166, not very realistic but at least its something, paying £12 or whatever it was, I shouldn't have to spend 2 hours trying to get the right sounds and code into the file myself.

Each time i buy a new addon i think "things are improving - maybe this time it will be more accurate" but very often something isn't right. Such an annoying shame because it has so much potential if only you get people who actually know what the real trains do to test the models thoroughly before they are released.

I hate ranting but its how i feel. I'm a student studying at the royal college of music at the moment and obviously can't afford to shell out £150 in addons so the ones i do buy i would like to be of simulate-able quality!

What is most frustrating is that these are really basic things, its nothing major to fix but makes all the difference to the simulation experience. I dunno, maybe I need to get out more.

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[nobkins]

i don't see why we should be banned or posts removed for having a say in where our money goes.

One last thing before I get banned or post moderated

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In fact the only moderation that needs to be done is for me to remove text speak from one of the posts.

Thanks

[Retro]

Any bugs that are to have been found that are similar to this should be delt with and updated to users within a week of the railworks team being informed of the mistake that was created. not left and left forever on the back burner. the hall class brake is STILL the wrong way around a year after release, we are paying money for locos that have absolutely NO realism if the brake doesn't work in the right direction, or the correct functionality, if a brake has notches in real life with graduated release, simulate it correctly on first release of the game, not 2 years later, if people can program space shuttles to orbit jupiter, i'm sure there's a human being in the computer team that can sort this out in less than 2 years.

This is what I and many others have been saying for months now.
We were sold the idea of Steam because it was said that updates would be very quick and we would not have to wait for large patches to appear as we did in Rail Simulator. This has not happened. The Class 86 Notch Fix is not being done until next year. Received an email from Support about this. The Trams on Project Platform still have no sound. HST Brakes as mentioned here. I will be buying no more RSC DLC until these basic problems have been fixed. IMHO RSC are failing in their duty to customers in this area. Also the new F4 Hud is still not registering Combined Throttles correctly so I have to use the F5 display at the top of the screen. Because of the Text Size I have to tilt my head right back to see it in the correct part of my Varifocals then I can't see the rest of the screen. I could mention a few other things also.
When you buy a product you expect it to work properly and if it doesn't be able get it fixed quickly. This is not happening. I am sorry to moan but if things were fixed in a timely fashion I would have nothing to complain about.
Kind regards James.

[Merlin75]

It seems money speaks here. RSC are bringing out all this payware and we all understand why they need to do this. But the HST is a important train on two of the default routes. The brakes worked on RW1 they were messed up by RW2 so is it unreasonable to ask for it to be fixed as soon as possable. And when the brakes on some of the HST's work ie the green one works but the FGW ones don't it can't be a big issue for RSC to fix.

[transadelaide]

I find it outstanding that so many people think just because they buy a few addons it suddenly makes them one of RS.com's investors or stakeholders.

[gege21]

Hello everyone !

For me it is very simple : I boycott RW2 as long as such bug are not fixed by buying anything on Steam for RW2...

Althought I play with rolling stock without bug

Best regards
Gerard