Driving the Class 86/4 on the WCML

[JasonM]

I guess that's where practice with the tap changer in Train Driver 3 and Simudrive comes in handy though yes it is a tad twitchy!

I was going to say the same thing Vern, and of course Zusi gave us practice with some of the German AC loco's.

[transadelaide]

Sideways means you went round a bend or over a junction too fast, in other words the carriage or wagon has "Swayed" too much to a side, causing a bumpy ride for passengers or smashing your fragile freight if you had something, erm, fragile in the wagon(s).

Well, this is completely new for me. How can I ommit this "feature" ?

Adam

1. Drive more appropriately.
2. Don't use career mode.

[AndyUK]

.....The ammeter should in practice show this - you can see this in action on the freeware model..

When rheostatic braking kicks in the ammeter does react in the WCML version and the tap indicator also starts to move up as increased braking is applied. If you're not seeing this then you might be being caught out by the 'phantom' notch very close to the off position which does nothing but make you believe you've got the controller off when you haven't! Try giving the 'D' key one more prod and you should find the rheostatic brake works after the taps have fully run off.

Andy L

[AndyUK]

1. Drive more appropriately.....

Good advice but it's possible to attract a 'sideways' penalty even when driving within the speed limit which seems a flaw common to career mode scenarios in general not just the WCML ones. I don't know what the speed limit was where Adam clocked up his penalty points but if it was more than 101.4 mph he shouldn't have been given any, the sim not being sophisticated enough at the moment to recognise speed limits due to the nature of the train - 100 mph for an 86/4 and Mk3s if that's what he was driving.

Andy L

[Darpor]

I was given the penalty points at two different sections, one of them was at around 94mph within a 100mph limit so its a limitation of the curve radius that is recognised by the career mode and is given away by the flange squeal as well. It isn't a problem with the building of the route, as you can follow the exact radius of the real life route and give it the speed limit it actually has, but in Railworks this translates to a tighter curve if that makes sense. I know what I am talking about, just hope you understand!

[AndyUK]

Darren,

Do you know if it's possible for the author of a career mode scenario to adjust the 'sensitivity' of the scoring so that the player isn't given a 'sideways' penalty provided the line speed limit isn't exceeded?

Andy L

[Darpor]

I have no idea Andy if I am honest. I presume there is a preset value for the lateral forces but the question is, is it defineable for each route or is it just set at a single figure within the code of the mode?

[adam3544]

Darren,

Do you know if it's possible for the author of a career mode scenario to adjust the 'sensitivity' of the scoring so that the player isn't given a 'sideways' penalty provided the line speed limit isn't exceeded?

Andy L

Maybe this is an issue which should be corrected by the Kuju developers. Anyway, for me it is something new.

[gege21]

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You should really have all the notches off before breaking as the 86 uses rheostatic breaking except at low speeds. The ammeter should in practice show this - you can see this in action on the freeware model. This means you have to think ahead whilst driving as you can't just break on reaction but have to wait for the power to drop off first.

*my post in the WCML thread on this is incorrect, my apologies.

Hello !

How to do for braking efficiently the train with the 86 loco ?
When I run at i.e. 90 mph must I do to turn the tap lever in "OFF" position and apply the train brake thus the dynamiques brakes (rheostatics brakes) are engaged or just I must leave the tap lever in "HOLD" position and decrease the tap notches to 0 and apply the train brakes thus "fullservice"

What is the more efficient method ?
What systems brakes are more efficient to decrease quickly the speed ? Dynamics brakes or brake cylinders pressure ?
It seems when the dynamics brakes are engaged that deactivate the application of brake cylinders in the brake cylinders gauge !!! Is it normal ?

Any suggestion would be appreciated

Best regards
Gerard

[Esurient]

Sideways means you went round a bend or over a junction too fast, in other words the carriage or wagon has "Swayed" too much to a side, causing a bumpy ride for passengers or smashing your fragile freight if you had something, erm, fragile in the wagon(s).

Some of the line speeds on bends are 110mph but I still get points taken away if I take them at about 95-100mph! Annoying!

[adam3544]

.....
What is the more efficient method ?
What systems brakes are more efficient to decrease quickly the speed ? Dynamics brakes or brake cylinders pressure ?
It seems when the dynamics brakes are engaged that deactivate the application of brake cylinders in the brake cylinders gauge !!! Is it normal ?

Any suggestion would be appreciated

Best regards
Gerard

According to my observations, you should select Power OFF few miles before arriving to your stop (coasting). Applying brakes will blend rheostatic and vacuum brakes together, hence the pressure brakes needles are swaying away on the guages.

Adam

[bigvern]

Sideways means you went round a bend or over a junction too fast, in other words the carriage or wagon has "Swayed" too much to a side, causing a bumpy ride for passengers or smashing your fragile freight if you had something, erm, fragile in the wagon(s).

Some of the line speeds on bends are 110mph but I still get points taken away if I take them at about 95-100mph! Annoying!

I think this has been covered in the WCML thread itself - these are differential speeds for tilting trains, the lower speed limit applies to rigid consists such as the 86 and Mark 3's. Not helped (as commented in the other thread) by the lack of advance speed warnings. Generally I wasn't going faster than around 95 MPH on my run (thus losing career points) but best way to be sure of not exceeding any speed limits. In general, I think the next speed limit posted in F3 below 100 MPH is accurate for all trains, at least by my observation 90 MPH is 90 MPH on the track, the differential speeds only seem to kick in above 100 MPH.

[markpullinger]

Hi Guys, for your difficulty in starting - check your keyboard settings in control panel & make sure the repeat delay isn't set to minimum or you can get more presses than you want. I tend to increase the delay to about half or 3/4 & reduce the repeat speed to nearer slow to cure this sort of problem - also related to twitchy gear changes with 101 unit.

[adam3544]

It seems to me that the tap changer behavior is simulated not as accurate as it is expected.
Specifically, when I tap A once (from HOLD position) in order to start moving from standstill, the power suddenly and unexpectedly surges to 56% !!! although tap anunnciator shows tap 1.
This of course bring wheel slip and overcurrent breaker trip. There is something wrong here.

Adam

[CaptScarlet]

It seems to me that the tap changer behavior is simulated not as accurate as it is expected.
Specifically, when I tap A once (from HOLD position) in order to start moving from standstill, the power suddenly and unexpectedly surges to 56% !!! although tap anunnciator shows tap 1.
This of course bring wheel slip and overcurrent breaker trip. There is something wrong here.

Adam

It may be a keyboard thing but if that happens then it would suggest your tap on the keyboard may have been too long.

John