S Devon Banks fix ?

[Clemmo47]

I installed this route and after adding all the assets it runs really well. It is a very interesting route with many scenarios which interest me as I live down there
Three of the Paddington to Penzance/Cornish riviera scenarios diaplay a driver /train blocked message however and don't load. Has anyone else found a solution to this ?

[Merlin75]

Only thing I can suggest is to click edit and use the scenario editer to remove the train thats causeing the blockage.

[OrpheusRocker]

I'm still working on this problem.
After last night's update, a lot of the South Devon Banks scenarios will report Broken Consists. The temptation would be to delete them. This is not neccessary now because they are easy to fix.

• Make a note of the Lat Long co-ordinates for each broken consist then go into edit mode.
• Type the co-ordinates into the GPS drop down panel at the top of the screen and click the little white triangle.
• When all the scenery has loaded (give it a short while), examine the couplings between the wagons.
• If they look like the screenshot below, then you have identified the broken consist.
  
• Expand your view so that you can see the entire consist and where it resides on the track.
  IMPORTANT. You must have Consist Select enabled. This is circled in light blue on the screenshot below.
• Click on roughly the centre wagon of the consist so that the entire consist highlights in red.
• Pick up the consist and place it back on the track where it was before.
• Examine the couplings. If they now look like the screenshot below, then you have fixed the broken consist.
  
• Press F2 to save the scenario.

Carry out this process for each of the broken consists you noted earlier.
Exit edit mode back into play mode by clicking the orange triangle.
Oh no! It still says you have broken consists!
Don't worry. This time, hit exit. When you re-open the scenario, it will be fixed
Andy

[Clemmo47]

Thanks very much for reply.The only scenarios not working were obe of the Paddington-Penzance and Cornish riviera ones. They loaded but gave driver at....blocked messages.
I'll try your fix for this excellent route.

Edit 7,00 Padington -Penzance crashes now but RW-Tools says 3 maroon Mk1 coaches missing, I thought I had all those,default and sly's coaches. So I can't get to the Editor. Cornish riviera loads but says many tracks blocked. The rest are ok.
I'll write my own scenarios when I learn how to do it.

Ok,I remove a couple broken consists and now the route loads so I can edit. The only problem is the player train (7,00 Pad-Penzance) is blocked . I looked up and down the route andcould only see a rake of carriages o the main line in Exeter (I think),so moved them but route still blocked. Sorry I'm getting obsessed with this scenario as I've been on that train as a kid so often.

[StefanSchmidt]

Just an Idea
RW-Tools offer a possibility to remove empty consists from an scenario. (In the edit scenario window)
I remember a discussion here in the forum, that empty consists can causes problems.
I hope that helps
Stefan

[Clemmo47]

Yes I wondered if that would help but not tried it yet . I have the same problem in a couple other routes. Various scenarios in Altenburg-Wildau and Wales and Borders I think. Driver at lat....route blocked message.
I'll try that now in RW-Tools anyway, thank you.

[OrpheusRocker]

The question is:
Are RW 'Broken Consists' and Mike Simpson's Excellent RW_Tools (MSERT) 'Empty Consists' the same thing?
If they are, then we have two methods of fixing them.
Andy

[StefanSchmidt]

By Broken Consist there are really rolling stock on the track or near the track. If you edit the route by moving the track a little bit , RW is not more able to place the consist. You can go to the consist using the coordinates or the new scenario editor,
If the train is complete: move the consist and you here the klick the train is back on the track.
if the train is not complete: check the option filter if the ticks are all set for the route. After the update some ticks are removed. dont ask why
then save the scenasio, restart RW and have a look again.
My be you have to repeat the procedere.

Empty consist: in the description files remains some information from earlier removed consists eg. the size of the collision box. This information causes trouble.
So RW-Tools 'remove empty consist' removes only the information out of the descripion files to avoid problems.

So the handling of both information is different.
Stefan

[Clemmo47]

I can fix broken consists and some routes have a lot after the last update. The frustrating problem is the 'driver route blocked' message ,not just in SDB route but Altenburg-Wildau and a couple others I like to play.

[OrpheusRocker]

Like I said in my earlier post, I'm still working on this. Programming AI traffic and scenario generation is still a black art to me but I would like answers too, so I am investigating. The new timetable editor provides more clues but no fixes have come to light as yet. Will do more digging today.
Andy

[stuart666]

I found the 'Route Blocked' message was down to the Paddington-Penzance consist being too long (10 Coaches). I deleted this to 7 and it worked perfectly. I can only assume too long consists when parked in a platform is blocking AI traffic at some point?

Re broken consists, if you click on the consist thats causing the problem, rock it back and forth on the track, then click on one individual wagon (or coach or whatever) and then save, you will stil have the broken consist message. Come out of the scenario, go back in, and it will work perfectly.

Its odd, because this has yet to occur on any of my scenarios on my route, or any of the other routes. Most strange.

[OrpheusRocker]

I found the 'Route Blocked' message was down to the Paddington-Penzance consist being too long (10 Coaches). I deleted this to 7 and it worked perfectly. I can only assume too long consists when parked in a platform is blocking AI traffic at some point?

I'd be very interested to hear what led you to suspect the length of that train. Which particular platform do you think is too short? Would extending the platform marker have had the same result? Actually, that might not be a good idea. Almost all the SBHH occurrances I've had have been beacuse I messed with marker positions and lengths.
Andy

[stuart666]

I found the 'Route Blocked' message was down to the Paddington-Penzance consist being too long (10 Coaches). I deleted this to 7 and it worked perfectly. I can only assume too long consists when parked in a platform is blocking AI traffic at some point?

I'd be very interested to hear what led you to suspect the length of that train. Which particular platform do you think is too short? Would extending the platform marker have had the same result? Actually, that might not be a good idea. Almost all the SBHH occurrances I've had have been beacuse I messed with marker positions and lengths.
Andy

Actually, it was just an assumption that the locomotive was ok, and the consist it was pulling was corrupted somehow (as with the other consists that were broken) I decoupled, tried it and the route block disappeared. I put 10 new carriages on (WR BRmk1s from the Hall pack) and it occured again. So I started pulling carriages off until it started working, and it came to 7. Not so bad, most consists at the time on the networked balanced out around 7 or 8. Personally id question if its worth messing with, just put an advisory for drivers to not pull consists over a particular length due to track work. Either that, or break the scenario up into chunks, which at the very least might make pinpointing the problem easier.

The only time I had an route block problem on my route was when I shunted into the path of a train, despite the fact that signalling should have blocked it out. This either means that the GWR signal set has some minor bug in it (I know nothing about signals to speculate on this point. It may just have been a misinstallation on my part), or reversing from a direction the AI WANTS you to go towards another train makes the blockage message fire. I know this scenario features putting on a banker, perhaps that may be part of the problem, ie the banker, plus the locomotive AND the consist creates something the AI in that context cant cope with. Just speculation on my part.

As for the broken consists, I can only speculate its something to do with the problem you get when trying to put a LONG consist together behind a locomotive, if you just bump a little bit, you get the tender and the locomotive the wrong way round. We have all encounted the 'exploding couplings' problem in some way or another, and I do wonder if since the update the problem has become more acute by the program pointing them out. The puzzle is why broken consists happen on just this route, and not on anything else.

Incidentally, has anyone noted any problem decoupling the train in the Doubled headed King 'Plymouth-Paddington' scenario, when you decouple the train in Newton Abbot? I had a crash to desktop here when I tried it, and Im loathe to repeat it because my save game position corrupted at that point. Both might be due to the new update, or possibly this might be related to the 10 coach consist being too long. I dont know.There also may be a broken track someplace. I pressed F3 in the brompton oil scenario (2 37s at Laira I think) and the game crashed. Im told this may be due to referencing a removed decal, or alternatively there may be a track somewhere with the end missing.

I would say these problems dont alter the fact, that this is THE best GWR route produced and I love it to bits. I hope the author will continue with it.

[Clemmo47]

Thanks very much everyone, I finally got the scenarios working here. I deleted all SDB and then reinstalled v14 +the Paddington-Penzance fast train scenario (the one included in the v14 crashed the game). I took 4 coaches from the Pad-Penzance consist ,leaving 7 coaches,and this works now, I havn't tried the scenario yet so don't know if further problems down the line.
I had to repair masses of broken consists in many of the other scenarios.
Only 2 don't work now. Down Cornish Riviera crashes the game but I can live without that, Local pickup freight trip has 'Driver Service1 lat 50.52940 long -3.59857 unknown error and missing marker-Dawlish Yard.
I mended the broken consists here but there is a red square which I assume is the missing marker. I don't trust myself yet to repair that.
I also added the new scenario 'Last train to Paignton'
http://members.uktrainsim.com//filelib- ... leid=23876

After spending days getting assets for Carbonia and Altenburg-Wildau it looks like the scenery onSDB has quite a lot of added items or is that my imagination.
Anyway this is my favourite route and I'm so pleased to play it again. All we need now is the extension Exeter-Barnstaple which has to be the prettiest line in the country in autumn. But that's asking too much.
So thank you again for this excellent route.

[justgeoff]

It's interesting to read all of the foregoing threads because I have experienced exactly the same problems, and they only occurred after the last German Update!

Geoff