Glad I'm Staying With MSTS

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Glad I'm Staying With MSTS

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I have just spent the last hour on the Railworks Forums, reading about having to register with Steam, to get the product verified to run.
One particular topic in RW Steam Help (Dumping Steam) see this thread
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 13&t=95149
Has put me off installing RW. I was bought the new Tornado Version of RW as a Christmas present (it's still in the box with its cellophane wrapping) which I was going to have a look at after the New Year. After reading all the comments on the thread listed above, I think that my copy of Railworks will remain with its cellophane wraping ( SWMBO) bought it me from UKTrainsim CD Ordering, as a surprise but, I didn't really want it. But what can you say, she really thought it would be a surprise. :cry: :cry: :cry:
Sorry love, to save an :argue: I'll treat you to a hair do and a big bunch of flowers. Aw! :D :D :D :D

I had a go with Railsim, which I bought myself when it first came out( all excited about how much better it might be than MSTS :P ) but I was not over the moon with it at all! After a few hours trying to fathom out how to run the dam thing, :roll: I uninstalled it, had a moan to myself for spending thirty odd quid, :argue: then put it back in its box, and banished it to the cupboard in my computer desk, where its remained ever since. :fist:

It seems that RailWorks, is just a jumped up version of RS and theirfore will still perform the just the same, be just as difficult to get my old head around as RS. To add insult to injury, what I don't like about it is, having to sign up to Steam to get the dam thing activated, before it can be used. It seems that many games are going down this path and before long, CD's/DVD's will be a thing of the past as far as PC Games are concerned; and only games linked to these sort of sites will be available for download only. :bad-words: Maybe I have a technology phobia, well its my age you know, but I don't want to have to join these sort of sites before I can play a game, or run a simulator. When you purchase a game/simulator on CD/DVD, you should be able to load it without having to go on the internet to be able to get it to load. This is pure controlism over what you are allowed to play or what you can't play. Like the Nanny State we are now living in, controled by a Government or do gooders. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!

MSTS may be old hat as far as RS/RW is concerned, but hey, I can install it without having to sign up to an internet site before I can play it. and I can buy add ons for it, or download addons without having to log on to play them. Is this the way of the future. Thank the Lord I have only thirty more years at the outside, if I manage 95 that is,(my Grandad manage 98 and he smoked and liked a tipple) and if I do, I'm taking a plenty of baccy, my lighter & my MSTS with me, (by then Coffins will be fitted with built in computers) so I can run trains and puff away merrily, up there as well! Oh and maybe the odd bottle of Rum (ex submariner) to keep me warm! :drinking:

No seriously, MSTS has give me so much pleasure over the past eight years, I am just beginning to enjoy what I have managed to achieve with it. I am gradually getting to the stage, where I can't be bothered to learn new tricks, for a new simulator that imho, is not much an improvement on MSTS. Maybe the graphics are that little much better, but MSTS is a lot better graphically, than it was when it first came out. I much prefer the method for making up activities in MSTS than trying to make up a scenario in RS. Add to this all the stuff available and more still being done, who needs change, I certainly don't, I am happy with what I've got thank you very much. :D :D :D :D :D

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Hi
Stick it on Ebay Geoff........ you'll get good money for it.
Then enjoy the free Tornado in MSTS.

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Geoff,
Once you install it from Steam and get the current updates you can go offline - thats what I do - and only go online every
so often to get new updates.

Why dont you try it, it wont cost you anything. I felt the same as you do but after thinking about it I gave it a go and
I'm really glad I did, its much better than MSTS.

On a Saturday and Sunday Steam is very, no, VERY busy so you are advised to install it midweek or when I do on a Saturday or Sunday morning at about 6.15am. And you can install it as many times as you want with no hassle.

And you can keep MSTS installed.
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Hi All,
steamnut44 wrote: When you purchase a game/simulator on CD/DVD, you should be able to load it without having to go on the internet to be able to get it to load. This is pure controlism over what you are allowed to play or what you can't play.
My personal opinion here is.
This method is used so that, if the game/sim whatever it may be, is as sucessful as MSTS the developers do not miss out on the possibilities.

I believe Microsoft are still kicking themselves about how MSTS was taken up and improved by the commuinties all over the world.

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I believe Microsoft are still kicking themselves about how MSTS was taken up and improved by the commuinties all over the world
Can't be kicking themselves that hard, they were all too eager to cancel TS2.
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Hi Daniel,
danielw2599 wrote:
I believe Microsoft are still kicking themselves about how MSTS was taken up and improved by the commuinties all over the world
Can't be kicking themselves that hard, they were all too eager to cancel TS2.
As I say, my largely uninformed opinion but by that time MSTS was growing on it's own.
We do not know how TS2 was to be marketed (or do we?).

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Hi
There is no money in a Railway Simulator......for big business.... its just not popular enough.
Railways generally as a hobby is small.... railways as a simulated hobby is a very small part of that.
The UK is an even smaller part of that.
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My pennyworth on this subject - I bought Rail Simulator and was getting to grips with it but I was not going to fork out more money for an updated version.There would seem to be no new routes for this train sim.I am not a great fan of fantasy routes good as they are.I just feel MSTS has got so much more going for it and this seems to be born out by all the new material being offered in both actual routes and rolling stock.Let's see what Open Rail brings forth as it seems it is going to support MSTS.

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dumpadillo wrote:My pennyworth on this subject - I bought Rail Simulator and was getting to grips with it but I was not going to fork out more money for an updated version.There would seem to be no new routes for this train sim.I am not a great fan of fantasy routes good as they are.I just feel MSTS has got so much more going for it and this seems to be born out by all the new material being offered in both actual routes and rolling stock.Let's see what Open Rail brings forth as it seems it is going to support MSTS.

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That's exactly what I say Dumps and I HAVE literaly, DUMPED RS/RW to the cupboard. I look at this way. If you have tried a new product are not entirely happy with it, then why try and persevere with it. I know it is alien to MSTS, but I just can't be bothered at my time in life to go back to square one, learn all the new methods of operating it, in order to run a rail simulator which I can't gel with.

I am still learning how to do things with MSTS, after having had it for eight years, but I understand how to have fun with it, without getting my knickers in a twist. Route Building has always been the most difficult for me, but I am slowly getting my head round the Route Editor, having purchased the Michael Vone Book Route Building (Downloaded on PDF) This is a must if you want to understand how RE ticks and how to do things. :o Another good source of tutorials, are available on the Aussie steam4me site, which I find very informative. I havent quite mastered the art of laying multiple track layouts yet, or have a full understanding of how signalling works, but hopefully I would eventually, like to build my own route from scratch. Adding scenery like I am doing with Scottish Central, is no problem, but as far as altering quite a lot of the track for this new version of the route, and adding all the neccessary signalling, I had to ask someone to do this job for me. This job is well under way and soon, I will be doing my bit to the route, by putting in all the scenery.

As far as 3D modelling is concerned, I would love to be able to make my own scenery items and have just managed to find a copy of Train Sim Modeller for £1.99 plus P+P from Amazon, which should be posted today. (ok, it's second hand, but is listed as like new, we shall see)
So that is something else I am going to have to try and get to grips with. I have no intention of trying to build any locos or stock, until I can master the art of building more simple things. Then I will also have to learn how to texture stuff in Paint Shop Pro, something else that I don't know anything about.

So as far as MSTS is concerned with it's much easier file system, that speaks for itself, I find it much easier to manage. Routes are listed by proper names, in the folder that say's Routes, so you know exactly what's what, instead of a folder in RS that doesn't even tell you where the routes are kept when first opening the file system. When you do finally find it, all you get is a load of numbers, why the names of the routes couldn't be listed like MSTS, beats me, as I say, it's alien.

So no matter what anyone says about RS/RW, and how they enjoy it, I will still stick with MSTS, Iv'e tried RS, not happy with it, don't like the way it operates, so I think I will kiss this product goodbye.

By the way Jon, already got the two versions of MSTS's Tornado, might not be as good a modell as the one in RW, but it runs well and looks good enough for me.

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I am another of the old ones with a fondness for the "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" philosophy.
MSTS certainly has its built-in faults, but it is relatively simple to understand and it hs an enormous world wide bank of add-ons. We all find fault with Microsoft but in the built in capacity to easily alter the game, Microsoft probably unintentionally gave Train Simulator a powerful attraction.
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Isn't it time the moderators stopped this RW/MSTS flame war again before it breaks out all over the place with blood all over the platform? :-)

It seems to me that this thread was just posted to stir things up once more. If you don't like RailWorks, then do not use it, I personally installed Rail Simulator, then RailWorks about 2 years ago, and have never looked at MSTS apart from doing some testing since.

It just depends upon what you like in a sim. Yes, MSTS has hundreds of routes and thousands of rolling-stock items, but they were designed on Windows 98 (remember that?) and looks like it. No amount of fiddling will ever improve the graphics.

As for the criticism of Steam, have any of those who criticise it ever used it? I have been using Steam since the early days of Half Life, and it has never proved intrusive at all.

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Basically it boils down to that old adage

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

For beauty read MSTS or Railworks or Trainz or . . .

If MSTS and Railworks can't live side by side then what hope is there for all the other problems in the world?

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Il stick with msts, the laptop i use for playing it is not internet connected, so having to go online to register is not much use to me, besides there are so many good routes and the promise of many more yet to come, to say nothing of the locos!
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Well said!!
Basically it boils down to that old adage

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

For beauty read MSTS or Railworks or Trainz or . . .

If MSTS and Railworks can't live side by side then what hope is there for all the other problems in the world?
Is there a way of flashing this up every time anyone accesses any of the forum sections?? I think this is something that needs to be drummed into EVERYONE who access the forum until they get the message!!!
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Hi
I would think there's more chance of ManU fans, making friends with Liverpool fans.... :lol:

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