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Hasn't this turned into yet another "What I'd like to see........" rather than a "What do you think is likely...." discussion?

If we work on what we know from Heavy Haul it's more likely to be a diesel orientated route rather than anything coming with steam or electric traction---DTG may seem daft at times, but they're unlikely to follow a 'tester' release with another and what we'll see next is possibly more likely to be an anglicised version of what we have now. Obvious contender is Settle-Carlisle, particularly as that is extremely suited to another example of a North American loco in the class 66. OK, you can see a 66 all over the country but something along the lines of Settle-Carlisle does reduce the need to develop other locos or types of traction. It would also be a an apt route for a future DLC release in the form of a kettle, packed as a 'Steam Specials' pack as we saw in TS.

There will certainly be other routes that fit the bill, but it'd be very surprising to see a raft of new traction/traction types offered as a first UK version.

I understand that, but did put in the OP that this is a place where people can put things they'd love to see in TSW, as well as what is likely. Like yourself, I'd put my bet on the Settle-Carlisle, though an extension along to Skipton, Bradford or Leeds would great. What I meant by my last post was A) a route I know, and would love to see in TSW B) a list of various traction types for different periods C) Showing how much standardisation there could be if prototypes were chosen carefully enabling more stock to be built up quicker.

If the route was to be the S&C (and I agree this looks likely!) from Carlisle to Skipton (so not all scenarios end when you 'change drivers'!) then stock should be the following, assuming a maximum of 3-4 loco types.
Class 158 DMU (Several Liveries - 2 & 3 car variations)
Class 143 DMU (Pacer - Several Liveries) or Class 150 DMU (2 Car - Several Liveries)
Class 66 Diesel (Many Liveries)
If a forth loco is allowed, then I think a steam loco would be appropiate, as railtours are a big part of the Settle and Carlisle's traffic flow. That loco would be:
LMS Jubilee Class (Several Preserved, and 'original' to the route)

Then TSW [CSX HH] seems to include quite a variety of wagon types, so excluding the other DMU Coaches, I would suggest:
Timber Wagons (OTA?)
Ballast Wagons (JNA?)
Other Modern Wagons (I'm not really sure what the freight flows are on the S&C, living in LBSCR Land!)
BR MK1 Coaches (Many Liveries, but West Coast Railways is the most appropiate.

Most of my other suggestions have been ones I want to see, but I think the above is a reasonable think about what might actually happen.

All the best,

sem34090

gptech wrote:Hasn't this turned into yet another "What I'd like to see........" rather than a "What do you think is likely...." discussion?
If we work on what we know from Heavy Haul it's more likely to be a diesel orientated route rather than anything coming with steam or electric traction---DTG may seem daft at times, but they're unlikely to follow a 'tester' release with another and what we'll see next is possibly more likely to be an anglicised version of what we have now. Obvious contender is Settle-Carlisle, particularly as that is extremely suited to another example of a North American loco in the class 66. OK, you can see a 66 all over the country but something along the lines of Settle-Carlisle does reduce the need to develop other locos or types of traction. It would also be a an apt route for a future DLC release in the form of a kettle, packed as a 'Steam Specials' pack as we saw in TS.
There will certainly be other routes that fit the bill, but it'd be very surprising to see a raft of new traction/traction types offered as a first UK version.

Hmmm, well, we don't really know exactly what DTG are constructing, is really the answer to everyone's guessing. Given that Matt P. stated that modern-ish routes sell the best in TS2017, I would have thought they'd use this analogy to construct something modern day in TSW, which might possibly be in the London area and feature a few modern EMUs and maybe a Class 66 for the freight fanatics, anything British, or, German, is likely to feature 3rd rail DC traction, or, OHLE AC traction, with a smelly modern day diesel loco thrown in for good measure. OHLE catenary is going to be an interesting inclusion next with its pylons and wires, that might bring the frame rates crashing down if DTG don't do it right, so, everything they've done so far in the American version is the foundation for future DLC offerings, and I would guess that it will be another BETA version for the community to generate feedback on, so, DTG can iron out any problems on a weekly basis, just like they are doing now.

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

I agree! I just thought it'd be interesting to see what routes people would like to see in TSW and why. There's nothing official or scientific about it, I was just curious and a bit nosey! Until something is announced, people can just pool ideas about. After that, I think it would be best to leave it for a while.
I think te S&C would be a good bet because it is (almost!) the UK equivalent of the current route and follows similar lines, the only difference being the nature of British Railways having more passenger services. Personally, I'd love to see something Southern based in any period, especially the 1960's, hence my enthusiasm for the Coastway Lines, but thinking carefully, I rekon the S&C would be the best bet, though it has been done countless times before and I for one would appreciate something new (East Anglia perhaps? Or Northern Scotland - Not the WHL!), but as you rightly say, we can't assume anything, but we can float ideas around, and hopefully discuss the pros and cons. I suggest we start by discussing the S&C and perhaps thinking about useful locos. I hope TSW features a world editor, and hopefully a means by which to create DLC. If so, we could perhaps think about what routes would be useful to content creators by having many common or re-usable features. This brings me back to my original Mainline+Heritage railway combination which would provide a wealth of content for DLC creators. London Victoria - Sheffield Park (For Example) could provide 3rd rail, electrostar sounds and physics, modern railway architecture, suburban housing, rural landscape features, old stations in modern guise, SOUTHERN signage, colour light signalling, LED signalling, viaducts, bridges, SR Station furniture, Semaphore Signalling, LBSCR Myers Station buildings, LBSCR Canopies, Electrostar Units, MK1 & Maunsell Coaches, Steam Locos, Wagons, Water cranes, the list goes on. By creating a wide range of intial assets, it becomes easier to build future routes. The above assets could be used to create several other Modern Routes (London-Brighton, West Coastway, Arun Valley, East Coastway, Uckfield Line, Chatham Mainline, Thanet Lines, and a multitude of other lines in the South East) and many LBSCR/SR/BR(S)/NSE routes using the Bluebell Railway part assets (Such as Guildford - Shoreham or Midhurst - Petersfield/Chichester/Pulborough).
Despite the above rambling though, I think the S&C is more likely - It could actually be offered in two versions quite easily, as much of the basic infastructure is the same now as in the steam era: Semaphores, Midland Railway Architecture, Rural Landscape.

Anyhow, my main point with this thread (Already three pages!!!) was to float ideas around as to a first route and sensible ideas as to what might need to be included to provide the best UK starting point for the new era that is TSW....

Regards,

sem34090

Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I was thinking:

Yesterday I was at the Isle of Wight Steam Railway's May Gala, and although it's been done before, I think the IOW would be a nice route for TSW. I know it's not especially modern, but it has a unique charm of it's own, and it's small which would help those like me who only have a laptop no end! If they were to offer this route, then obviously they need the class 483 (Or 1938 stock to LT fans like me!) but this time they ought to model the centre trailers too. I know NSE never purchased them, but it would be nice for LT modellers, and it would be good if they offered LT livery without the yellow panel alongside the current SWT variation. Then for the Steam Railway, rather than 'Invinsible' (Nice as RSH saddle tanks are!) I would suggest the LBSCR Terrier (Preferably as both No. 8 'Freshwater' and No.11 'Newport' as well as in other liveries hopefully including IEG, Marsh Umber, IWC Black, SR Olive and BR Black!) and the W.D. Austerity 0-6-0ST (Preferably as both 'Royal Engineer' and 'Waggoner' in Green and Blue, and in LMR, WD, BR Black, NCB and other liveries) Either of those two would be useful for many other routes, the Terrier for SR routes, and the Austerity for industrial routes. I know that both are unlikely to be offered (As is the entire route, but I'll overlook that one!) but I'd go for the Terrier, simply because I love them, and they match the IOWSR's LBSCR bogie coaches which I think would be better choices than the push-pull set, unless they offered the P-P set with working P-P equipment (Unlike last time. ). If they offered the entire IOW network in it's heyday then that would be great, but would need the Adams O2 substituted for the Class 483(!) but that is the least unlikely prospect that I can think of!!!

Any other ideas?

There has to be a balance on a UK route between heavy freight slogs and passenger services. Knowing that modern routes often sell better than dated routes, and wanting to see how TSW deals with OHLE without causing too many issues, I reckon a perfect route for this would be the line from Ipswich to Lowestoft (and Felixstowe).

Only one passenger unit would be required (Class 170),and the route takes in varied scenery all the way up the line. Freight stock, although fairly limited, often covers the nuclear flask traffic up to Sizewell, served by a Class 66. If for some reason more freight is needed, it shouldn't be too difficult to add the line down to Felixstowe back in.

The basic route comes in at just over 49 miles long, and adding the Felixstowe branches brings the route mileage to 61 miles.

Rolling stock required:
- Class 170
- Class 153
- Class 66
- intermodal container wagons
- nuclear flasks

Lowestoft is a good suggestion but a branch line can get a bit boring.
So I was thinking Bristol to Cheltenham & Gloucester where you have regional and express services. It's about 44 miles in length.

I'm not too fussed if the UK route is prototypical or fictional to be honest, as long is it includes:-

A good stretch of mainline track and speeds of 125mph, as I want to see how it handles speed!
Passengers - I want to see how people interact, hopefully not just magically appear and disappear, whilst also being able to walk through walls and lamp posts
OHLE (interested to see if this would be animated) - would need an electric loco included though, so not holding out much hope in seeing this in first UK route release

sem34090 wrote:I understand that, but did put in the OP that this is a place where people can put things they'd love to see in TSW, as well as what is likely. Like yourself, I'd put my bet on the Settle-Carlisle, though an extension along to Skipton, Bradford or Leeds would great. What I meant by my last post was A) a route I know, and would love to see in TSW B) a list of various traction types for different periods C) Showing how much standardisation there could be if prototypes were chosen carefully enabling more stock to be built up quicker.

If the route was to be the S&C (and I agree this looks likely!) from Carlisle to Skipton (so not all scenarios end when you 'change drivers'!) then stock should be the following, assuming a maximum of 3-4 loco types.
Class 158 DMU (Several Liveries - 2 & 3 car variations)
Class 143 DMU (Pacer - Several Liveries) or Class 150 DMU (2 Car - Several Liveries)
Class 66 Diesel (Many Liveries)
If a forth loco is allowed, then I think a steam loco would be appropiate, as railtours are a big part of the Settle and Carlisle's traffic flow. That loco would be:
LMS Jubilee Class (Several Preserved, and 'original' to the route)

Then TSW [CSX HH] seems to include quite a variety of wagon types, so excluding the other DMU Coaches, I would suggest:
Timber Wagons (OTA?)
Ballast Wagons (JNA?)
Other Modern Wagons (I'm not really sure what the freight flows are on the S&C, living in LBSCR Land!)
BR MK1 Coaches (Many Liveries, but West Coast Railways is the most appropiate.

Most of my other suggestions have been ones I want to see, but I think the above is a reasonable think about what might actually happen.

All the best,

sem34090

The modern S&C is a shadow of what it once was, Set in the loco hauled era would be more marketable I reckon

Yeah lets see a midlands route, part of network west midlands, Snow Hill to Hereford would be nice or the cross city line, London has been done to death bout time the rest of the suburban networks were covered.

Just a thought how about North Berwick to Edinburgh, also including the Edinburgh Suburban Circle,set in BR Blue era or Early Scot Rail,Loco's 26,27,37 47,55,56,Mk 1 and Mk 2 coaches and a Scottish DMU.
Being set in the BR Blue era you wouldn't have to worry about OHLE and wires

Mike

Similar question posed on TS FB page

Let's talk TSW! What British route would you most like to see recreated in Train Sim World?

S&C ??? - lovely route in real life, but a dull drive in a simulated world (at least, with modern traction)

IMO, a good bet would be a varied, modern, "network" style route that could easily be backdated. Cardiff and the valleys would be good in this respect...

More fancifully (given DTG approach and relative ease of research for modern routes):
- Exeter / Plymouth to Penzance (steam or modern)
- Waverley route

1 minutes months ago I posted that the new TSW routes would need to be "iconic", but DTG don't appear to have taken that approach for the US route???

but DTG don't appear to have taken that approach for the US route???

Indeed, where's the sweeping vistas and scary bridges?

I've been thinking about this.

How about the Isle of Wight Railway network as it was in the 1950's? I was an extensive network, roughly 50 miles (I think!), charming (Old locos and rolling stock) and, importantly I think, entirely self contained. No need for 'taking over' turns of 'end of shift' messages, because the whole think was self contained. Also, they could model the entire stock with ease: by the 1950's it was only ex-LSWR 02's and ex-LBSCR E1's. Add some ex-LBSCR and ex-SECR bogie coaches and that's your locos and passenger stock. Add some ex-LBSCR Wagons and that's the whole fleet sorted! If you want to go back to the 1940's, add terriers and back to the 1930's add some 4-wheeled ex-LCDR coaches and Beyer Peacock locomotives.

To offer a modern route, essentially strip it back to the existing lines, and make a couple of adjustments. Then still offer the O2 and LBSCR coaches for the steam railway, then offer Standard Stock and 1938 stock for the Island line.

With the freedom of TSW, you could 'spawn' on the ferry at Pier Head, and board a train waiting at the platform for Ryde St Johns. Then prepare the loco before starting that day's turn, say to Cowes or Ventnor.

Any suggestions? Or flaws with this idea (Other than the fact that DTG say modern routes sell best!)

Any UK route would be good, featuring some passenger runs rather than all slow freight as that has already been done in TSW.