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mojo12012 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:15 pm Not been able to find a new 1070 anywhere. Does anyone have a suggestion as to what level of card I should be looking at, given I am not a serious gamer,

I've found this.... might be at the top end of your budget though.....

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/48gb-pn ... 6-w-ecc-dp

gptech wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:49 am

jstange wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:48 pm but I was totally ignored.

Ignored to the extent of mojo actually running the test and posting the results in here?...

I love this sort of collaborative trouble shooting......

I wrote to run GPU-Z together with Furmark to move forward, this is what was ignored. Read first, then post, not the other way round, please.

@Peter: I am very sorry if it sounded too harsh, but please keep in mind: the furmark test showed the GPU was running at 28 deg. even when under a stress test. Under these circumstances speaking about a thermal taste _is_ ridiculous in my very humble opinion. If the GPU was hitting over at least 70, yes, we could speak about that for sure. This discussion is moving in circles as some output that's been already provided is being ignored. Additionally you know very well that the information about the PC unable to boot with the card is totally new and was not known before my last post.

I upload an image of GPU-Z, you can see it tells you the load of the GPU core, memory, TDP etc. It had a chance to show what the card was really doing... and it made perfect sense as the next step after what the furmark test showed (high TDP, low performance, low temp) and it takes just a few mins to install and collect the output.

In any case I would not necessarily conclude this is a GPU issue as it can be a power issue too in my opinion, although the GPU is more probable. It can be a motherboard slot problem as well.

Now that the PC is not booting with the card at all (as I understand), if I was facing this issue I'd do the following:

0/ A question first - is the PC booting and working normally when you boot without the card and plug your monitor into the on-board Intel video card? - this rules out the CPU and the rest of the motherboard being the issue. If all OK, continue with 1.
1/ Make sure the extra power connector (I expect 1x8 pin) is well inserted and secured in the card.
2/ Try a different 8-pin plug from the power supply. 8-pins can also be produced from molex connectors, converters are cheap.
3/ Try a different PCIe slot (if available) as already suggested by Peter or Gary.
4/ Try a different external card (anything Nvidia 6xx and above would do and shouldn't require driver reinstall) - if such a card is available, I'd probably try this as the first step.
5/ Try a different power supply - you can probably buy it and return it if it won't help.

If all the above steps don't help, it must be something in the motherboard, in my opinion...

jstange wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:07 am Read first, then post, not the other way round, please.

Read the definition of "totally", and also check context/punctuation.

jstange wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:48 pm ...and suggested installing gpu-z and running it together with a furmark test to see what the GPU was doing, but I was totally ignored. I've stopped posting here since then (ok, this post is an exception )

gptech wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:02 am Read the definition of "totally"

Learn the basics of statement logic.

As for punctuation, I'm not a native speaker, my punctuation may not always follow English grammar rules, if that's what you're referring to...

What about helping the OP instead of having this useless message exchange?

First of all can I thank everyone for their contributions. Thanks also for the link, Gary. My wife said that as long as I could guarantee to outlive the card by at least a year or so then she might consider it Come to think of it, this card has only lasted 2 years so not sure what that means

Well, I dug out the previous Nvidia card, a 970, as advised, and put that in. System booted fine. Replaced it with the 1070-the Corsair shut down. Swapped around again, system rebooted okay. Same result over the next 5 goes. Have tried alternative cables and sockets on the psu, checked all the voltages which are okay, and ensured all contacts were clean and secure. Same result. Not clear if there is anywhere else to go now, other than a replacement.
Cheers!

jstange wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:16 am if that's what you're referring to

More context than punctuation, though of course either influences the other.

mojo12012 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:42 pm I dug out the previous Nvidia card, a 970

A 970 will not perform worse then a 1070 in TS, but what could have a bearing is the amount of video memory it has. If the game runs and looks OK there should be no need to rush to find a replacement.

Mojo
What sort of performance are you getting with the 970 in TS?
I have an old i5 4xxx series with a 970 and it runs TS with a cheap early Gsync monitor pretty well.

I am surprised that it was a card issue in that you could display films, etc, with no artifacts being present.
I hope that it all goes well!
pH

So the issue is resolved, but I understand the outcome is not what you were hoping it would be, especially in these troubled times with graphics card shortages.

But I'm with Gary on this one - being you I'd keep the 970 until the situation gets better and 30xx cards are widely available... difference between a 1070 and a 970 in TS is not worth the effort of finding a good card for a good price now.

Hi. The jump from the 970 to the 1070 was much more than you would think, judging by your observations. From just around 20+ fps, with moderate settings on the 970, not forgetting good old stutter, to double the frame rate, plus little stutter on the 1070 with higher setting, the difference was amazing on my set up. While I think about what to do next Re another card I'll try TS again and see how the card handles the new monitor. With Nvidia supporting Freesync now I thought this only worked on the 10 series cards and above? We'll see. In the meantime a friend has offered to let me try the 1070 on a jury rig of his for a final take on this whole episode. Of course, if it works there then "I'll be back!"
Many thanks again and cheers

mojo

With Nvidia supporting Freesync now I thought this only worked on the 10 series cards and above?

Yes according to https://blurbusters.com/gsync/supported-graphics-cards/ the GTX 970 supports Gsync and not freesync.
Is there any reference to GSync Compatible in the NVCP (Display - Set-up Gsync) with your GTX 970 card connected by DP or HDMI?
It might be that you must have a Display Port connection instead of HDMI - you need to check that just in case!
pH