Atomic Systems

So, good news and not so good news. I managed the Win 10 install. Changed drive letter, negotiated with Steam to recognise the installation. But, started up in 64 and the sim drops to 14 fps still, whatever the setting I used. Something somewhere seems to be overriding the sim. As far as I can tell the hardware is all working correctly. Any further ideas as to where I should search?
Ps. Win 10 is no doubt a better system so glad to have started the move over. Cheers.

Like a number of other people I have been having Out of Memory crashes with the game and like many other my computer spec is enough to run the game without a problem.

Another crash and a BSOD and a somebody suggested looking at the Page File System.
In theory Windows 10 should not need to use the Page File but these games seem to run better with it.
As the game used to run ok up to a month or so I wondered if a Windows Update turned the Page File Off?

I followed the instructions here and was surprised to find the Page File was set to OFF !!!
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/ho ... 36929.html
I selected "System Managed Size" then Set. - You have to re-boot for it to apply

On a route which would crash at the busy areas I did a full run without a crash and the FPS recorded 95 at one point.

I'm still watching it but I might have found the answer to my problem
It might be worth a look if you are having a similar problem

Peter

Thanks Peter. I'll have a look.

Page file was set to system managed. I changed it to the recommended settings. On basic settings fps crawled up to 17 fps and below. I have tested the card with test programmes, and it has coped fine. Still missing something. I remember it used to be possible to put something in the Steam settings to limit fps. Is there anything else that could have the same effect?

mojo12012 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:15 pm I remember it used to be possible to put something in the Steam settings to limit fps. Is there anything else that could have the same effect?

What are your settings in the nVidia Control Panel?

Hi Gary. I have left all the settings at application controlled, but made sure 64 exe. was in the list, although not customised. Cheers.

Dynamic lighting appears to be the culprit. Switch it off and the fps rises to 50-60 and runs smoothly. Switch it on and back to 14. The problem now is that the verticals and horizontals, as well as trees, shimmer badly, whilst the rain effects are lost on the windscreen. Would limiting the fps to 30 help-half the refresh rate? And if so, how would I do that? Cheers.

In the nVidia Control Panel, set railworks64.exe to use FAST Vertical sync. That may get rid of the shimmering without having a huge effect on FPS.

The last post says that turning off dynamic lighting "solves" the issue, but we all know that this is a nonsense. 99% of people in this forum have dynamic lighting on (formerly TSX on), running without it takes your TS some 10 years back. There is a clear lack of GPU (or CPU) performance within the system.

Having 14 fps with an i7-6700k, GTX 1070, 16GB RAM means there is a terrible issue of some sort somewhere. If we get consistent results across operating systems - not to mention one of them is a fresh install - this leaves us with:

- an issue with the TS installation (not sure if the TS installation is "re-used" across the OSes - the same TS installation used in Win7 as well as Win 10??) - can you confirm or deny this?

- a HW issue

What I haven't seen throughout the thread (I may have missed it though) is whether other 3D applications/other games are having the same low performance. Can you provide some examples of games and how many FPS you are getting? If you don't have anything else, try a generic GPU test like furmark.

I know some asked this earlier in the thread, but... The i7-6700k CPU has a HD 530 integrated GPU. Are you absolutely sure you are not using this one? I have seen systems where the integrated GPU was not listed in the Devices section in Windows, but it was still active. Is your display cable connected to a port on your discrete GPU? If you are not 100% sure (really 100%!!), please upload a photo of your back panel on your PC here...

mojo

Hi Gary. I have left all the settings at application controlled, but made sure 64 exe. was in the list, although not customised. Cheers.

Did you actually select Railworks64.exe in the NVCP - Manage 3D settings - Program settings in the "1. Select a Program to Customise"?
Can we see your settings in the NVCP?
Under DEVICE MANAGER how many display adapters are listed?

peterfhayes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:39 pm Can we see your settings in the NVCP?
Under DEVICE MANAGER how many display adapters are listed?

As this is not a laptop, Peter, (where multi gpu output framebuffer is unified), how many adapters are present in the device manager is not that important, what matters here is where mojo's monitor is plugged.. to the motherboard back panel or graphics card in a separate slot...? Given the symptoms I bet it's in the motherboard...

JS

As this is not a laptop, Peter, (where multi gpu output framebuffer is unified), how many adapters are present in the device manager is not that important,

It was just a check, as it can be important if the BIOS is set up "incorrectly" ie not to use the discrete card (PCIe)? Good Point about where the monitor is actually plugged in!

We have to cover all the bases - this system should eat TS, and it's odd that performance is so "poor" wrt TS.

I would love to see Mojo's set up using team viewer but I'm too far away (time difference) - somebody closer could be a big help to Mojo.

pH

Many thanks for your responses and suggestions. So....
Set vertical sync to fast and power management to maximum performance in Nvidia control panel. Made little difference to the shimmering. When I turned on dynamic lighting again the frame rates dropped down to 14 fps. All the other settings were default application controlled, and 64 exe was definitely the setting.
Monitor is plugged into the card. I had set the bios to use pci for the graphics, and this is still the setting. Only the card is listed in device manager.
I haven't heard of anyone using TS on its own dedicated ssd having problems when they installed a new operating system. How would I link them, given that I have run Steam and it has recognised the new set up. Not sure what an HW issue is is that hardware ie the card?
I don't run any other games or sims so, after a fight with Windows, I managed to download and install furmark. What's the best way to use it, and what should I be looking for?
I checked task manager after a session to see if anything else was running. It listed only Steam client bootstrapper but 32 exe. Is that right?
Again many thanks for the assistance.

Mojo
Just a thought are you using the latest Nvidia driver in Windows 10 ie later than the Windows 7 driver?
I still don't see your NVCP settings or TS graphics settings?
What Monitor are you using - Brand, Resolution, Refresh Rate, Full Screen or other in TS?

power management to maximum performance in Nvidia control panel

That is only for the video card and not for the whole system.
In Win 10 type in the search box "Power & Sleep" - Additional Power Settings - make sure nothing turns off. incl monitor and drives.
Try not to use "sleep" or "hibernate" settings if possible.

Is there any chance to look at your dxdiag 64-bit - save all information report (it is a txt file)
pH

Mojo
What are your settings in Train Sim under Graphics? Either list everything or screen grab it, the basic Graphics screen plus Advanced (both screens)