Sheffied to Derby update V1.04....Derby-Nottingham-Leicester

[45002]

Confused, I am

I let MML Sheffield to Derby v1.08 update remove previous version, I then tried to install v1.08, but I couldn't install v1.08 error couldn't find MML

So I left as it was and installed next MML Derby-Nottingham-Leicester Extension - v1.03 that update installed OK

I then went back to install v1.08 update that installed OK

MARTIN

[gptech]

uninstall process removes the routeproperties.xml file and doesn't reinstall it again on the subsequent reinstall

Faulty installer then...makes sense now!!

Why can't JT give us the option of using 7-ZIP and copying/dragging associated Asset and Content folders across?

That would be the simplest solution, for updates to a product anyway, as the only files that would need to be in the package are the revised ones---absolutely useless to anyone who doesn't have the full route installed so it covers any *piracy* issues.

v1.08

- Scenario: [DEFAULT] 1R86 11:57 Norwich-Liverpool - Fixed AI Crash.

- Missing Chesterfield Church – Fixed.

- Southbound Quick Drive's from Sheffield and/or Derby to Nottingham routing via the south curve at Trent Junction - Fixed

- Adjustments to scenery at Ambergate Junction - Simple changes to rockfaces to use Train Sim Academy rather than original Kuju textured models .
- Added St Pauls Tower in Sheffield City centre - Makes a visual difference as you approach the city from the south.

None of those require a full install; many users may have fixed the 1R86 scenario themselves already, the scenery edits would only revise a handful of scenery tiles, possibly the loft and terrain tiles too if any roads/fences etc and ground heights had been 'tweaked'. The QuickDrives may involve much more, but certainly not to the extent of necessitating a full removal of the route and full re-install, plus of course all the other extensions to it.

[gptech]

I let MML Sheffield to Derby v1.08 update remove previous version, I then tried to install v1.08, but I couldn't install v1.08 error couldn't find MML

So I left as it was and installed next MML Derby-Nottingham-Leicester Extension - v1.03 update installed OK.

I then went back to install v1.08 update that installed OK

Based on Peter's findings, the reason could be that the DNL extension update has brought it's own copy of the Route\Properties.xml file.

[peterfhayes]

Just an update;
It is the uninstalling of the L to A extension that removes the routeproperties.xml file not the uninstalling of the main CML route.
The "fix" uninstall the extension first then uninstall the main CML route.
Then reinstall the main CML Route and finally the extension.
Sounds like a glitch in the JT update process. Again nearly a 2GB download for minor upgrades.
pH

[gptech]

Again nearly a 2GB download for minor upgrades.

And again we'll agree there's absolutely no need for it....

If we just do some simple sums...
Scenery tiles average out at about 200KB, so if we say 10 have been revised that's near enough 2MB
Call a Scenario 500KB and add a bit and round the total up and we're really, really, struggling to reach a figure anywhere near approaching 2GB

EDIT:

the L to A extension

Which one's that?..I'd guess at L being Leicester, but the A has me foxed....

[sbowness]

Right with you, Gary. Then add the time of deleting the redundant Default scenarios and it took me the better part of 20 minutes this morning.

[johnrossetti]

This is why, where I can, I will buy JT products from Steam in future, updates don't seem to go through this hassle.
I think Alex did say they are looking into other ways to update.
How about just the new files in the correct directories and copy them across ?
I was actually thinking of installing a blank TS and installing into the, do a file compare and copy the new ones, FolderMatch would do that
Where it becomes a real pain is when as I do, have all the extension, so even if nothing has been updated you still have to re-instal them and risk loosing your own scenarios in the process, if you can remeber how many there are !!
Maybe its to do with the installer checking your registration ? its a pain if you dont have a decent internet connection at home, I have to cart the heavy pc around to other houses
Love the products, just not this bit.
John

[VPDev]

EDIT:

the L to A extension

Which one's that?..I'd guess at L being Leicester, but the A has me foxed....

I'm guessing as that post earlier mentioned CML it's actually Chiltern Mainline and L to A is London to Aylesbury.

[peterfhayes]

Gary

EDIT:
the L to A extension
Which one's that?..I'd guess at L being Leicester, but the A has me foxed....

Sorry - thinking about another route entirely - getting old!

JohnR

I was actually thinking of installing a blank TS and installing into the, do a file compare and copy the new ones, FolderMatch would do that

All you usually need in a blank TS is the railworks.exe file (railworks64.exe) that is usually all the installer is looking for!

pH

[gptech]

- getting old!

You know why that is?...…

…..the hassle of sorting out ropey update packages ages you prematurely!

This is why I'm still 27---I let you do all the work

[peterfhayes]

Sorry to all
This is rubbish:

Just an update;
It is the uninstalling of the L to A extension that removes the routeproperties.xml file not the uninstalling of the main CML route.
The "fix" uninstall the extension first then uninstall the main CML route.
Then reinstall the main CML Route and finally the extension.
Sounds like a glitch in the JT update process. Again nearly a 2GB download for minor upgrades.

what I should have said is
Just an update;
It is the uninstalling of the Derby Nottingham Leicester extension that removes the routeproperties.xml file not the uninstalling of the main MML Sheffield to Derby route.
The "fix" uninstall the DNL extension first then uninstall the main MML route.
Then reinstall the main MML Route and finally the DNL extension.
Sounds like a glitch in the JT update process.
Again nearly a 2GB download for minor upgrades.
pH I would forget my head if it wasn't screwed on! I'm nearly 28!

[Hipper]

Could the necessity for doing uninstalls/install new version be to do with their admin. It's easier just to manage complete programmes then have a series of updates held somewhere - seven in the case of the Midland Main Line?

At least they do updates and tell us about them.

From what I can see Armstrong Powerhouse for example don't tell me of updates but it seems I should look at my orders to see if there have been updates. Then I have to download the full package, presumably also uninstalling and re-installing as for JT.

I presume these companies also have to be aware that not everyone understands the file structure of TS and is willing to fiddle around in there.

[gptech]

It's easier just to manage complete programmes then have a series of updates held somewhere

That's arguable, though does make sense in the case of a major overhaul to a product, but the updates we've been getting for MML don't fit that description. We're looking at a small number of files here which are easily archived and managed from a provider's end of the chain.

I presume these companies also have to be aware that not everyone understands the file structure of TS and is willing to fiddle around in there.

But the answer is not to distribute updates in a way that has been seen to cause problems that have involved even more *technical* intervention by the end user to resolve. If anyone can't manage to copy and paste files, following instructions, then they frankly shouldn't be in charge of a computer.
There's nothing wrong with providing these minor tweaks to a product in .exe form for those who prefer that way, but the updates don't/shouldn't necessitate the deletion of the whole product and a fresh install--all they need to contain is the revised files to replace the older versions. The option to manually copy and paste files can easily be added for those who have more of a "control freak" outlook.

[johnrossetti]

Its worth rembering where to un-install these sorts of installs from too,

John

[FoggyMorning]

From what I can see Armstrong Powerhouse for example don't tell me of updates but it seems I should look at my orders to see if there have been updates. Then I have to download the full package, presumably also uninstalling and re-installing as for JT.

My experience with AP updates (and I'm rather lax in applying them, and might well be doing it "wrong" anyway!) is that the uninstall step is not necessary, as the updates simply overwrite the earlier version. I'm not sure why it is necessary with JT's products, unless it is a "belt and braces" approach?