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Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:03 pm
by 749006
So far I have only got the GMPTE version working, because I used to drive them.
And I have used the RSC/Class365Pack02 as the base train as it is stand alone instead of part of the ECML route - not that it should make a difference.
Another way is to have the 323 file in the PenninePacer/SYB_MCV folder and point it back to the RSC 365
But that was getting too difficult for me
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:32 pm
by PenninePacer
I am very happy for any modification to be published. I suggest you update to version 2 of the route as this features correct headlights for the GMPTE livery.
Please could you post a screenshot of the passengers? If they are not blocking the doors I may be able to move some seats around.
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:13 pm
by 749006
PenninePacer wrote:I am very happy for any modification to be published. I suggest you update to version 2 of the route as this features correct headlights for the GMPTE livery.
Please could you post a screenshot of the passengers? If they are not blocking the doors I may be able to move some seats around.
I got the v2 upgrade - Lights on the GM version are as I remember them
https://peter749.piwigo.com/picture?/18 ... l_pictures
The seating in the 323 is arranged in bays around the windows
https://paulbigland.zenfolio.com/p10405 ... #h4f97d918
And I think the Kuju 166 is about the nearest as the body length is also 23mtr
Because I have used the 365 for the basis of the traction it uses the 365 passengers which are also arranged like the 166
If the interior could be made like the Kuju 166 it could use that interior - it's not perfect but I don't know of another 23mtr unit with a similar set up
Peter
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:31 pm
by gptech
749006 wrote: I have used the 365 for the basis of the traction it uses the 365 passengers which are also arranged like the 166
...in the positioning that they have in the 365---have you tried adjusting that positioning?
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:53 pm
by 749006
gptech wrote:749006 wrote: I have used the 365 for the basis of the traction it uses the 365 passengers which are also arranged like the 166
...in the positioning that they have in the 365---have you tried adjusting that positioning?
Who - me
Come on Gary I have just got this far with a lot of help from yourself and others
The problem is some face the wrong way and I would not know where to even begin
But it would give people amusement telling me what I had done wrong
Peter
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:30 pm
by PenninePacer
I have tried to copy the 166 interior. Some passengers are perched on the edge of the seats, but no passengers are floating or clipping into the seat backs.
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:48 pm
by 749006
PenninePacer wrote:323int.jpg
I have tried to copy the 166 interior. Some passengers are perched on the edge of the seats, but no passengers are floating or clipping into the seat backs.
That looks good
Going to try it myself and same for the TSO
EDIT - tried the MSO and I have no Passengers
I pointed the Passengers in the Children section to be those from the 166 MSO but it was not that easy
Back to the drawing board
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:39 pm
by gptech
749006 wrote:But it would give people amusement telling me what I had done wrong
Same as you usually do....deciding a problem is bigger than it is rather than looking in the .bin file.
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Same procedure as for the driver, values 13, 14 & 15 adjust the positioning. You probably won't get it perfect--more chance if Nicholas releases the rework of the interior--but you'd probably be able to improve how it looks.
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:33 am
by 749006
gptech wrote:You probably won't get it perfect--more chance if Nicholas releases the rework of the interior--but you'd probably be able to improve how it looks.
The version Nicholas did using the Class 166 passengers looks quite good as they are relatively correct for a 23mtr coach rather than fiddling with a 20mtr coach
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:39 pm
by gptech
So point the .bin to the 166 passengers by copying over the relevant child object entry.
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:45 pm
by 749006
gptech wrote:So point the .bin to the 166 passengers by copying over the relevant child object entry.
I did in the end once I realised what I had missed
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Seems to be the same for both the 323, 365 and 166 so no idea what it does.
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:49 pm
by PenninePacer
I don’t own RSC/Class365Pack02, is that the NSE reskin from the marketplace? If so it says that it requires the ECML London-Peterborough, so you might as well use the ECML 365.
TSOL done, 1 passenger is clipping into the seat back but it shouldn’t be too noticeable.
Minor interior improvements, ignore the line down the middle.
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:49 pm
by gptech
749006 wrote:gptech wrote:So point the .bin to the 166 passengers by copying over the relevant child object entry.
I did in the end once I realised what I had missed
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Seems to be the same for both the 323, 365 and 166 so no idea what it does.
That matrix defines the size, rotation and positioning of the object.
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 8&t=124596 and
http://railworksamerica.com/index.php/r ... t-position
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:42 am
by 749006
PenninePacer wrote:I don’t own RSC/Class365Pack02, is that the NSE reskin from the marketplace? If so it says that it requires the ECML London-Peterborough, so you might as well use the ECML 365.
323MSO.jpg
TSOL done, 1 passenger is clipping into the seat back but it shouldn’t be too noticeable.
323int2.jpg
Minor interior improvements, ignore the line down the middle.
That looks very good
Yes, the 365Pack02 is the NSE Reskin - it seemed easy to use as a stand alone pack
Re: Pennine Pacer 323
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:49 pm
by James323
749006 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:42 am
PenninePacer wrote:I don’t own RSC/Class365Pack02, is that the NSE reskin from the marketplace? If so it says that it requires the ECML London-Peterborough, so you might as well use the ECML 365.
323MSO.jpg
TSOL done, 1 passenger is clipping into the seat back but it shouldn’t be too noticeable.
323int2.jpg
Minor interior improvements, ignore the line down the middle.
That looks very good
Yes, the 365Pack02 is the NSE Reskin - it seemed easy to use as a stand alone pack
Hello would anyone be able to help me at all please?
I would love the have the driveable 323.
One that has working breaks. Would anyone be able to send the the updated bin files at all from the 365? For the 323
Many thanks