Atomic Systems

GatwickSpotting wrote:Tongue removed from cheek; as a long-standing payware developer with releases through various publishers in TS I can safely say there is pretty much 0 correlation between discussions on forums/facebucket et al, and the actual purchasing habbits of TS users - and I'm sure other developers will have seen a similar trend. The most successful products are usually ones that receieve a lot of grumbling when first announced, and the poor performers are inversely frequently requested items on forums/facebook etc. The results of customer surveys in most industries are at complete odds to what they actually end up buying (often comically so), and the same is definitely true in niche communties like Train Simulator. The customer is always right - but never if you ask them what they want to buy.

I second that. Having worked at DTG and now doing my own thing for the last few years, I can confirm this is absolutely true.

Can't wait for the Mk1s, they'll look great being hauled by the steamies on railtours etc.

rosschris10 wrote: Digital traction done a fantastic job of coaches already. It seems AP seem to be just redoing current products and reselling them with a few little touches here and there. Slapping a new titled against the pack. Rather than doing things the community actually ask for

Not quite.

The DT Mk1 stock is ok and has sufficed because nothing else was available that had a number of different vehicles.
And I still use them in a number of scenarios because I don't have anything better

When the 6F pack came out in one livery Richard Fletcher did a very good reskin in to Blue/Grey livery so we had two liveries out of the 5 main.
But if you wanted Blood & Custard, Chocolate & Cream or Southern Green then the DT was the only alternative unless you wished to use the old Kuju stock.
If you wanted some of the other variations of Mk1 stock, BFK, FO, RFM, BCK, BSO etc then the DT was still the only version

There was also the DT Mk2 E coaches which again were good for their time but a more detailed version with new liveries was produced by AP.

From the video on FB Ap will bring out more detailed versions of the Mk1 coaches with different bogies on them - or do people prefer 90mph Mk1 bogies with everything?

And I would like to suggest that all those people who usually complaint that AP have withdrawn something, because it has been replaced, to purchase the DT(AP) Mk1 coaches now as they will soon go

Peter

rosschris10 wrote:No they just sell a DBSO pack you can’t drive from. I mean how many years has that been out now you would think they would have that working so you can drive from it giving the skills they can show on other stuff. Rather than releasing the same products only with advanced features they should focus on things they can actually improve on

But being a business, they will focus on where there is money to be made and presumably that currently isn't a DBSO.

Afternoon folks,

From looking at the video, it seems that these will be the most accurate-looking Mark 1s so far. The early DT examples left a bit to be desired. The new AP vehicles will finally include a correctly-depicted CK. Every variant of the CK that has gone beforehand has been woefully wrong and inadequate. The CK was about as distinctive as you could get in a loco-hauled non-suburban Mark 1.

gptech wrote:

EEType3 wrote:much welcomed for those who wish to replace the default ones.

..and or the DT; DT/AP; AP MK 1s...…..do we really need another batch of Mk 1 coaches?

At the very least a payware-quality set of TPO coaches would be Nice. Yeah, we have Newbouy's old freeware ones, but they're starting to look their age

Hi all,

Well I'm very up for these. I see Mk1 and B4 bogies in there as well as Commonwealth, a correct CK and a BFK. I've always felt that the original DT/AP Mk.1's don't quite capture the feel, though it's hard to put a finger on precisely how or why.

Cheers

Norm

The video shows a modern flashing tail lamp - although I suppose it is better than the non-tail-lamp current set but unless there is a choice of tail lamps it rather rules out us old codgers who drive puff-puffs.

John

Carinthia wrote:The video shows a modern flashing tail lamp - although I suppose it is better than the non-tail-lamp current set but unless there is a choice of tail lamps it rather rules out us old codgers who drive puff-puffs.

John

It should be a easy job for AP to make different lamps based on the livery, they already have the oil lamp done so the modelling is done, either that or just make it selectable in the editor

I feel as though I should comment on this, given the fact I have been working on my own freeware MK1s for a while that will be releasing within a few months (https://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic ... 6&t=150143).

The coaches do certainly look good and will certainly be better in detail than the versions I am working on so they will likely be preferred by those who prefer top levels of detail. I have the DT Mk1s and the AP Mk2s (all 3 packs) and I must admit they are some of, if not the, best detailed coaches I have used in my opinion so seeing MK1s get the same treatment is nice.

However, I still stand by the content I am creating for a few reasons. A big reason I, regardless of however detailed I make them, will be releasing mine as freeware is that MK1s are meant to be standard so having them as freeware means that as many people can access them as possible; while AP's versions will almost certainly be better detail I have a feeling the price may be high - this is speculation based on recent releases (though in my opinion even if the price was high, what they've shown so far seems like it would be worth it in my opinion). I also stand by my coaches as I am including the EMUs and Suburbans and many odd variants - I don't know if AP are covering the suburbans or all variants.

I see a comment about the fact that the AP video shows a correct CK, I will note that I also have such a coach.

forerunner wrote:I feel as though I should comment on this, given the fact I have been working on my own freeware MK1s for a while that will be releasing within a few months (https://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic ... 6&t=150143).

The coaches do certainly look good and will certainly be better in detail than the versions I am working on so they will likely be preferred by those who prefer top levels of detail. I have the DT Mk1s and the AP Mk2s (all 3 packs) and I must admit they are some of, if not the, best detailed coaches I have used in my opinion so seeing MK1s get the same treatment is nice.

However, I still stand by the content I am creating for a few reasons. A big reason I, regardless of however detailed I make them, will be releasing mine as freeware is that MK1s are meant to be standard so having them as freeware means that as many people can access them as possible; while AP's versions will almost certainly be better detail I have a feeling the price may be high - this is speculation based on recent releases. I also stand by my coaches as I am including the EMUs and Suburbans and many odd variants - I don't know if AP are covering the suburbans or all variants.

I see a comment about the fact that the AP video shows a correct CK, I will note that I also have such a coach.

Thank you for taking your free time to develop these in the first place and I wish you good luck with them and look forward to installing them.

oldstraydog wrote:I've always felt that the original DT/AP Mk.1's don't quite capture the feel, though it's hard to put a finger on precisely how or why.

The DT version of most of their coaches uses a mirror version - side one is a mirror of side two

But the real CK Coaches are different to most others as the Corridor side was different to the compartment side
http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/blueb ... 021113.jpg

https://peter749.piwigo.com/picture?/29 ... hing_stock
Ignoring the livery differences

Peter

Deffo Purchase here, problem with previous MK1's Default BG,FK & TSO only then added RMB, SK, BSK and BFK through various packs, JT & DT added MK1's but they are dated and in some cases wrong so the AP ones are welcome although and thankfully someone has pointed it out the BFK is not the same as the BSK

IronBidder wrote:Their Mk IIs have better detailing, texture, passenger views

So I'm led to believe but tell me, do you actually have passengers on board those coaches? All the videos I've seen suggest that they were only ever used on ECS trips…..

IronBidder wrote:I think Mr Powerhouse has a pretty good idea about which of his products sell well

Richard Armstrong could pee in a bucket, market it as after-shave and the faithful would buy it...and the updated version to follow. Credit where credits due though, he's carved out his market nicely and built up a very loyal user base who'll support his every endeavour. Unfortunately, the most avid (rabid?) of them could be his worst enemy---they do him no good by constantly sneering at other provider's work, and those who don't have or particularly want AP Pack XYZ are treated as some kind of oddity

Have we any, officially confirmed, indication of just what's included and the price---the user generated hyperbole has already started on Facebook from what I could see in a quick visit, and they're nicely building themselves up for the release of a pack featuring every single variant in every livery they ever carried.
At least there'll be a slew of new scenarios featuring them, something for the steam/BR Green & Blue era fans to play with I hope. and thankfully with RW Tools even those weirdos who don't buy the pack could enjoy the freeware scenarios.

It would be nice to see a B&C variant appear. Or perhaps the more bold, LNWR 'Plum and Split Milk' livery coaches trialled in the early 50s on a select few rakes. But seeing as this sim is very tailored to the Blue era I don't anticipate much, as understandably the R&D to produce variants to proper livery and regional codes for two to three decades earlier is not feasible.

The three represented types of bogies are nice but the finick in me wants to point out the vee-hangers should be the other side of the vac cylinder on Commonwealth and B4 diagram lots (and B1 lots built after ~1955). A pesky detail I reckon isn't worth much bother as it would rarely be noticeable in-game

gptech wrote:

IronBidder wrote:Their Mk IIs have better detailing, texture, passenger views

So I'm led to believe but tell me, do you actually have passengers on board those coaches? All the videos I've seen suggest that they were only ever used on ECS trips…..

No, that's the one thing that lets them down and stops them getting a perfect score. AP's Mk II packs have no passengers in the models. I presume because he has no figures of his own and he can't or won't use the default ones in other stock.

Personally I prefer no passengers to badly modelled ones.