JT Midland Mainline scenario 1Q34 Derby RTC - Hull

[USRailFan]

My guess is, the missing Mk2s comes from here and here, the Class 31 from here and the 158 probably from here...
Maybe if someone else who has the route could load up their version of the scenario and see if it really calls for those items? Or has the OP inadvertedly edited his in some way?

[gptech]

Maybe if someone else who has the route could load up their version of the scenario and see if it really calls for those items?

Err.... see the previous page

Could also, as I said in a previous post, be that the OP has an outdated version of one or more of the stock packs, sometimes AP's Enhancement Packs or Wagon/Loco packs get extra reskins added to them after the release.

True, but as he's just acquired many (most?) of the packs it's reasonable to assume he's using the latest versions. Let's stop guessing about what might have been and concentrate on what is actually there (or not thee), and if it's a case of an edit to the scenario *breaking* it, why that edit was undertaken and how it was done.
The "edited scenario gone boobs up" idea makes sense, particularly as earwigo's screen shot show the scenario opening in a station rather than just outside the RTC, as shown here:



His shot also doesn't show any trace of a cab, which suggests that the NMT is definitely one of the offending items. The briefing for the scenario states:

Drive the New Measurement Train (HST) from Derby R.T.C to Sheffield on a glorious morning in May 2019

so no MKII coaches should be involved.

[USRailFan]

Drive the New Measurement Train (HST) from Derby R.T.C to Sheffield on a glorious morning in May 2019

so no MKII coaches should be involved.

AFAIK that popup would also appear if the missing items belonged to an AI service or static consist?

[gptech]

AFAIK that popup would also appear if the missing items belonged to an AI service or static consist?

Yes it will, but as we're already suspecting the NMT as being one of the problematic consists, and as there's no trace of a cab in earwigo's screen shot it's reinforced somewhat. Add to that the fact that there's no mention of MKII coaches nor the Class 31 in the manual, and that the list of consist contents I've posted contain no sign of 'em, and the start location in earwigo's shot NOT being the RTC.....see my reasoning?, there's too much pointing towards the 31 and MKIIs being a user generated error.

earwig, do any of those stock items the game is having difficulties with show as being used in RW Tools when you run the scenario through the Edit Scenarios routine?

[gptech]

erwigo,

you're running the wrong bloody scenario!!!

You're running Test Train to Derby...



which uses the 31 (which is mentioned in the scenario notes in the manual) and MKII coaches (of which there's no mention)

Now, run the 1Q34 Derby RTC - Hull scenario instead and see what happens

[USRailFan]

D'uh!

[gptech]

D'uh!

At least it's cleared up why there's been some confusion, so every cloud and all that...

It's a very easy error to make, if we're honest we've all done it or something similar; more than once I've struggled adding child object decals to a reskin of a DMU only to find that the reason I couldn't see them in game was because I was viewing the DMSL instead of the DMCL I was editing....

[USRailFan]

D'uh!

At least it's cleared up why there's been some confusion, so every cloud and all that...

It's a very easy error to make, if we're honest we've all done it or something similar; more than once I've struggled adding child object decals to a reskin of a DMU only to find that the reason I couldn't see them in game was because I was viewing the DMSL instead of the DMCL I was editing....

LoL yup... I was ready to rage delete one of the first versions of my Sussex Scot scenario because the AI train that was supposed to leave at the same time as the player train never showed up... Until I discovered I had set it to start at 23:30 in the evening instead of 11:30 in the day...

[earwigo]

Here is the latest screenshot showing the error message. By the way, I've got both 158s from AP.
Gptech, you mention about swapping stock using TS Tools, I'm not sure how to do that. Could you help, please?
Thanks for all the comments.

[earwigo]

I added the NSE class 159 DMU from Steam, and the scenario started fine.
Thanks for all the above comments.

[gptech]

Nice to hear you're up and running at last, but.....

lets go back a bit...

you mention about swapping stock using TS Tools, I'm not sure how to do that. Could you help, please?

Of course, but as you'd stated you didn't have any "Missing stock" messages you wouldn't need to. That could be because you had everything, or (more likely) you weren't using RW Tools properly so lets deal with that.

The instructions you were given said:

OK...get the scenario loaded in RW Tools and you should see this:

https://i.postimg.cc/T1MytsrV/loaded.jpg

In the 2nd window from the left, the one with the heading "Consists", click n the first one in the list and you'll find the vehicles that make up that train are displayed in the next window to the right, "Selected Consist"

https://i.postimg.cc/250MFRNt/1st.jpg

If anything is missing you'd get a warning box appear, like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/TwBFyVnN/not-found.jpg

Work through the list and you'll find if there is anything missing.

You posted back:

Here is a screenshot of RW tools, which is as far as I can get. I can't find the window showing missing items.
What am I doing wrong?
Many thanks.

https://forums.uktrainsim.com/download. ... &mode=view

The last consist in the list selected, so I (we?) naturally assumed you'd worked through the list. You obviously hadn't, as the 159 you've now installed has done the trick.
You need to select each consist in turn,

Work through the list

You need to go through each consist in a scenario to check each one for any missing items.

That is also the first part of any stock swapping with RW Tools, so when you get time have a wee practice whilst I set to taking screen shots and putting together an example of a real life stock swap to show you what to do next.

[earwigo]

Thank you very much, gptech.
I really appreciate you taking the time to help me here.

[gptech]

Once you've a scenario for stock swapping loaded in RW Tools, click on the first consist in the list--just as you did when checking the route. you'll get a small window open with a list of the missing items, showing the path to the .bin file that the scenario is calling for.



As I don't have the AP HST sound packs it's not surprising that the whole of that consist isn't available to the game.
You can close that window with the listing, it's just for information and isn't needed to any swapping.
What we do next is look to the bottom right of the RW Tools window:



You need to know where the stock you're swapping in lives, I have an EMT HST installed using the RSC HSTPack01 model so I'd click on RSC, which expands the listing to show the contents of the RSC folder. Then a click on HSTPack01 expands it further, and so on through the tree until you get to where the things actually are.



Make sure you have the appropriate button selected in the block above this window--DMU works fine for an HST, but is no good for a Black 5!

Above all this is another Window, which will display the rail vehicles contained in the folder selected, and any sub-foldrs of it so clicking on "Find Available Rolling Stock" gives:



Select one of the missing items in the centre window of RW Tools, and in the right hand window select the item you want to use instead



Click on the "Swap Selected Item(s)" button and RW Tools whirs away changing the scenario files to suit your selection.

Repeat for the next missing item and so on.

At any point you can save the progress of the edit, to finish off later if needed so you're not glued to the PC whilst you do this--bottom left is where the "Save Changes to Scenario" button can be found.

That's the basics of it; it looks more complicated than it is and you'll soon be able to whizz through a scenario in minutes.

[peterfhayes]

Gary
Just a thought I have the latest version of RW_Tools 8.1.1.16 and I no longer get any message about "missing consists", but missing Consists/DLC (including those in ".ap" files) appear in "RED" in the "selected consist details window" and they displayed in "BLACK" if present (and not in an ".ap" file).
I have reinstalled this version a couple of times and still get the above how missing items are displayed.
Is this the new normal?
pH

[gptech]

I've been using v8.036 Peter, but the release notes for 8.1.16 show that what you're seeing was introduced in v8.1.11:

v8.1.11 - Rewritten most of the 'Swap rolling stock' code in the scenario editor. Hopefully this
should now work for most stock items although there may be problems with some re-skins.
Note: When selecting items in the 'Select RailVehicles' list you must double-click to
select.
The 'Selected Consist' list now shows missing stock in red.