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michaelhendle wrote:Hi
When the route was first announced I was 65 I am now 71.but I think the route is well worth waiting for.
Mike

That is an eye opener, I'm mid 50's but you really just made me stop and think.
My goodness the years are just flying by so very fast, is it really that long since the route was announced...

When it was first announced I brought "The Stainmore & Eden Valley Railways" book by Peter Walton,must have read it cover to cover about half a dozen times since then,great book,I hit 65 this year, and must admit I wondered it I would see this route before I fell off the perch.

I've just realised I've got another birthday in July,so now passed the three score years and ten.

Mike

Hi
Was wondering whaat sheds the locomotive would come from on the route,I reckon Tebay would be one,but Penrith looks to small,also noticed looking at the shed code for the Ivatt it was a Middlesborough Locomotive.
Don't think I am a rivet counter,just interested in what would the right locomotive for a route,it's surprising how many times the S&D 7F turns up on a route where they would never have been seen,the same goes for the Mk1 Coaches

Mike

I guess that West Auckland and Darlington where two of the main sheds, considerd it was an NER route, wich makes the Q6 and the G5 (and the upcomming J21) perfect for the route.

On the LMS side, Penrith was a 2 road shed, and a subshed of Carlisle Upperby (12B). It only held locos for the Kendal line.
Tebay was a shed in its own right, part of the Carnforth group. In 1948, it had the following locos
42301 11D FOWLER 2-6-4T
42313 11D FOWLER 2-6-4T
42314 11D FOWLER 2-6-4T
42317 11D FOWLER 2-6-4T
42457 11D STANIER 2-6-4T
42464 11D STANIER 2-6-4T
42595 11D STANIER 2-6-4T

In 1950, Penrith became 12C for a few years, with the allocation
58362 12C WEBB " 0-6-0 "CAULIFLOWER"
58389 12C WEBB " 0-6-0 "CAULIFLOWER"
58411 12C WEBB " 0-6-0 "CAULIFLOWER"
58417 12C WEBB " 0-6-0 "CAULIFLOWER"
58418 12C WEBB " 0-6-0 "CAULIFLOWER"
58421 12C WEBB " 0-6-0 "CAULIFLOWER"

locomotiveman1994 wrote:I guess that West Auckland and Darlington where two of the main sheds, considerd it was an NER route, wich makes the Q6 and the G5 (and the upcomming J21) perfect for the route.

During the thirties the Stainmore line was the domain of NER J21 0-6-0, J25 0-6-0, Q5 0-8-0 (from Kirkby Stephen westwards), G5 0-4-4T, GN D3 4-4-0, and GE E4 2-4-0. During the fifties the line saw J21, J25, Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0, Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0, BR Standard 2MT 2-6-0, 3MT 2-6-0, 4MT 2-6-0, and 3MT 2-6-2T tanks.

2 Q6's were transferred to Kirkby DStepghen in April 1955 to work the line west to Tebay (too heavy for Belah viaduct), but left again in May 1955 after they became derailed near Smardale.

Marcus

Hi,
Thanks for the reply about sheds and loco allocations,so I imagine any thing above a class 5 would be to heavy,although Clans were classified as Light Pacifics.
I find these very helpful,Shed Bash UK they have lots of sheds with allocations from the late 1940's until they closed
Here is a link to Tebay oh and they are free

https://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2013/04 ... -1964.html

Mike

michaelhendle wrote:...so I imagine any thing above a class 5 would be to heavy,although Clans were classified as Light Pacifics.

Indeed the Clans where Light pacifics, being virtually Britannias with a smaller boiler. But they where rarely seen outside Scotland. Let alone on such a minor route as the Stainmore Route. I know that some have been seen on the ECML as far up as Doncaster (I think), but I don't know of any seen beyond Carlisle on the WCML.
But with the line ending at a LNWR station, I could imagine the LNWR Coal Tank and the G2 being regular sights on the line.

Hi
These loco were on shed at Kirkby Steven in 1956

Sunday 24 June 1956 51H total: 14
cl 4MT 2-6-0 cl 2MT 2-6-0 J21 0-6-0 65064 51A
BR cl 4 2-6-0 BR cl 2 2-6-0
43055 51H 43128 51H 46470 51H 76022 51H 78016 51H
43122 51H 43130 51H 46472 51H BR cl 3 2-6-2T 76023 51H 78018 51H
Shed Codes 51A Darlington 51H Kirkby Stephen 82026 51H 76048 51H 78019 51H

and 1960

Saturday 7 May 1960 12D total: 7
cl 4MT 2-6-0 cl 2MT 2-6-0 BR cl 4 2-6-0 BR cl 2 2-6-0
43027 12D 46422 12D 76023 12D 78017 12D
43103 12D 46442 12D 78018 12D

Looks like they were running the shed down

Mike

locomotiveman1994 wrote:

michaelhendle wrote:...so I imagine any thing above a class 5 would be to heavy,although Clans were classified as Light Pacifics.

Indeed the Clans where Light pacifics, being virtually Britannias with a smaller boiler. But they where rarely seen outside Scotland. Let alone on such a minor route as the Stainmore Route. I know that some have been seen on the ECML as far up as Doncaster (I think), but I don't know of any seen beyond Carlisle on the WCML.
But with the line ending at a LNWR station, I could imagine the LNWR Coal Tank and the G2 being regular sights on the line.

The Clans were regulars on the Glasgow to Blackpool runs in the summer (May to September). Most weekends would see 2 or 3 in the sheds. They were notorious for their bad time keeping.
So could be used between Penrith and Oxenholme on the route

PS see https://yesterdayremembered.co.uk/memory/743/

locomotiveman1994 wrote:

michaelhendle wrote:...so I imagine any thing above a class 5 would be to heavy,although Clans were classified as Light Pacifics.

Indeed the Clans where Light pacifics, being virtually Britannias with a smaller boiler. But they where rarely seen outside Scotland. Let alone on such a minor route as the Stainmore Route. I know that some have been seen on the ECML as far up as Doncaster (I think), but I don't know of any seen beyond Carlisle on the WCML.
But with the line ending at a LNWR station, I could imagine the LNWR Coal Tank and the G2 being regular sights on the line.

No 4-6-0s or pacifics ever operated over Stainmore. The odd LNWR engine may have reached Kirkby Stephen or Barnard Castle (DX and 'Cauliflower'0-6-0s are mentioned in Peter Walton's book), but no tank engines or G2s. There are reports of very rare visits of LMS Fowler 4F 0-6-0, Stanier 5MT 2-6-0 and WD 2-8-0 engines to Kirkby Stephen. The summer Saturday Blackpool specials from the North East continued to run via Tebay until 1961. From 3 February 1958 DMU's (Metro Cammell/101) were introduced between Darlington, Barnard Castle and Penrith. Closure came from 22 January 1962.

Marcus

And yet again:

I thought Std 4 and Ivatt class 4 operated over the route,along Ivatt and Std 2MT as well as J21's

Mike